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Euler's Formula Applied to a TorusDate: 06/05/2001 at 23:24:03 From: Jim Vinci Subject: Geometry Can you explain why Euler's characteristic is zero for a torus? If, for example, I drew an arc with two vertices on top of the torus and connected another arc to it to form a circle, wouldn't V=2, E=2, and F=1, so that V-E+F=1? What I am I missing? Isn't this an admissible graph? Date: 06/07/2001 at 08:37:53 From: Doctor Peterson Subject: Re: Geometry Hi, Jim. I'm not sure I picture exactly how your vertices are connected, but most likely your mistake is that one of the "faces" includes the "hole" of the torus, and therefore is not a valid face. A face must be topologically equivalent to a disk; you should be able to flatten it out into a plane. If this doesn't clear it up, please write back and tell me more precisely where your "other arc" goes; also give me the defintion you are using of an "admissible graph," so I can use the same terms you are familiar with - there are several ways to describe this. - Doctor Peterson, The Math Forum http://mathforum.org/dr.math/ Date: 06/08/2001 at 08:21:36 From: Jim Vinci Subject: Re: Geometry Dr. Peterson, Thanks for the reply. Actually, the term "admissible graph" comes from Steven Krantz's book, _Techniques in Problem Solving_. He defines it simply as a connected configuration of arcs and his example focuses on a sphere. He also defines a face as any two-dimensional region, without holes, that is bordered by edges and vertices. One of his problems is to determine the Euler characteristic for a torus and to show that it will work for any admissible graph on the torus. So let's say you drew two arcs on top of the torus so they formed a circle around the torus (it would look like three concentric circles if you viewed the torus from the top with the hole looking like one of the circles). What is F for this configuration? Also, if you drew one arc from the outer "edge" of the torus to the hole and back up and around (this would sever the torus if a cut was applied along the arc), what is F for this configuration? Is F always zero for a torus? If so, why? I guess my real problem is that I don't understand how Euler's formula applies to a torus. I understand how it applies to figures with pointy edges like a cube, pyramid, etc. Maybe a good comparison to a torus is a nut (square with a hole in the middle). In this case, would F=4 because two of the six sides have a hole and therefore do not count as valid faces? Jim
Date: 06/08/2001 at 12:16:27
From: Doctor Peterson
Subject: Re: Geometry
I've found that just about every place I look for a definition of the
Euler characteristic and related concepts is either too vague (as
yours is), or too deeply embedded in topology (and dependent on
definitions given elsewhere, or perhaps never clearly stated) to make
a good reference to answer questions like this. The general idea is
simply that either we are making an actual polyhedron that is
topologically equivalent to, say, a torus, or we are making a graph on
the surface that is "polyhedral" in a topological sense. But exactly
what this means is seldom stated.
Here is one answer I found to a similar question, which is better than
most in stating the requirements fairly carefully:
How many edges (lines) are in a cylinder? - Final Answers,
Geometry and Topology - Gerard P. Michon
http://home.att.net/~numericana/answer/geometry.htm#edges
In discussing V-E+F=2 for a cylinder with no vertices, two "edges,"
and three "faces," this says:
Nothing is wrong if things are precisely stated. Edges and faces
are allowed to be curved, but the Descartes-Euler formula has 3
restrictions, namely:
1. It only applies to a (polyhedral) surface which is
topologically "like" a sphere (imagine making the polyhedron
out of flexible plastic and blowing air into it, and you'll see
what I mean). Your cylinder does qualify (a torus would not).
2. It only applies if all faces are "like" an open disk. The top
and bottom faces of your cylinder do qualify, but the lateral
face does not.
3. It only applies if all edges are "like" an open line segment.
Neither of your circular edges qualifies.
This is good enough to answer your specific question. Your edges are
valid; but your single "face" is not equivalent to a disk; if you cut
along the edges and spread it out flat, it becomes an annulus. That's
the problem.
There are several ways in which a "face" may fail the test. One kind
of "hole" is that in your example, where the "face" is like an annulus
or cylinder; its set of edges is not connected. In your example, the
inner and outer edges of the annulus are glued together when you put
it on the torus, but they are distinct when you view the "face" by
itself. It is easy to miss this! You must picture taking the "face"
off the surface, so you can see what it really is.
Another way is for the "face" to have only one edge, but have a hole
in the same sense that the torus has a whole; this is what happens if
you simply draw a circle (with one vertex to make it a valid edge) on
the side of the torus, so that the inner face is a valid disk, but the
outer "face" is all the rest of the torus, including the "hole," which
you can also picture as a "handle." This can't be flattened out at
all.
In either case, the "face" is not simply connected; you can draw a
circle in it that can't be shrunk to a point.
The problem in the definition you are using seems to be that he
defines an admissible graph without reference to the faces, which
really are the determining feature in this context; and perhaps also
he has not clearly defined what he means by a "hole" in a face. If you
remember that this can mean either a hole with an edge, or a "handle,"
it might be clearer.
- Doctor Peterson, The Math Forum
http://mathforum.org/dr.math/
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