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Topic: Do You Want a Gulen Turkish Charter to Compete with Your Public Schools?
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kirby urner

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Re: Do You Want a Gulen Turkish Charter to Compete with Your Public Schools?
Posted: Mar 14, 2017 2:56 PM
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Your "rather than a shared public school experience which enables societal
cohesion" is what scares the natives, dontcha know.

Whose ethnicity determines what's "shared" again? Those people who believe
in lockers but no personal workspace, no cubicles?

In a real public school everyone gets at least as much personal space as a
cube farmer gets in an office tower. That's a minimum student demand we'd
hope to meet. A private study space, yours for the year, but in a shared
space (yes, an office tower most likely -- what you never went to school
above the 10th floor?).

What we do not have, have never had, is one victorious ethnicity before which
all others must bow down.

What we do have, or try to have, is a way of managing dynamism as the
melting pot roils but never settles down into just the one "gray goo" the
lazier social theorists may yearn for, as it'd make social theory so much

I find it funny how STEM-starved Americans feel insulted and somewhat dazed
that Sufi inspired teachers from afar would seek to spread excitement about math
and science. You'd think a nation of missionaries would get that.

Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes that time: why would Turkish people have
anything to teach *us*? (her attitude -- she called it counter-intuitive).
Many Americans have no clue how Middle Eastern cultures kept the ancient Greek
civilization alive while the Latin cultures dove into darkness. They think
Al Gore invented the algorithm, not Al Khwarizmi.

Why not take the same attitudes we have towards dining out, when variety is
much appreciated. You're this family, looking at schools. Do you want the
Greeks (pretty orthodox), the Geeks (more like code school), the
Russian-flavored (lotsa lit), or Burger King (all American party lovers)?

Every neighborhood has its diverse offerings, its flavors (always
shifting), presumably somewhat reflective of the people who actually live
there. This is not a top down imposition.

People of Turkish heritage are all over the place (as we're finding out in
the news these days) and many have American citizenship. However if more
franchises spin up like Harmony and those, charter or not charter I don't
know, marketing as Singapore-tied, or Czech Republic, am I gonna complain?
Off the bat, no. I'd like to sample, see the Youtubes. Diversity in itself
is not a problem.

It's not about little enclaves all learning to hate each other. It's about
cross-enrolling across neighborhoods, on purpose picking whatever magnet
or immersion experience.

Where but in America do families have such a smorgasbord of offerings and
opportunities to synergize? It's what made America great.

Why not celebrate our heritage rather than insist on dumbing it down and
enforcing some uniform pabulum, a lot of it recycled from the UK, from
which independence was won you might recall. Or go with a Pearson prime
UK-template flavor, fine, if that's in your taste buds. Free country. As
long as there's choice (staying home one of them).

Yes, happy Pi Day.


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