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Topic: 0 The Empty Number; its purpose is to set bases
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 Conway Posts: 119 Registered: 9/21/17
Re: 0 The Empty Number; its purpose is to set bases
Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:58 AM

On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 11:51:23 PM UTC-5, Dan Christensen wrote:
> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 12:12:05 AM UTC-4, Conway wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:48:42 PM UTC-5, Dan Christensen wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 10:01:10 PM UTC-4, Conway wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 8:03:00 PM UTC-5, FromTheRafters wrote:
> > > > > Conway brought next idea :
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Place is important.

> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree...."Place" is important....Place is a matter of space....zero is
> > > > > > place...zero is space...

> > > > >
> > > > > Important for representations only, not for the number in mind.
> > > > > Mathematics is filled with abstractions, a 'number' can be expressed in
> > > > > many ways. You seem to want to imbue numbers with two attributes each
> > > > > and "do math" with them while avoiding a perceived problem with zero as
> > > > > it stands.
> > > > >
> > > > > To me, zero is not a problem and limits are just another representation
> > > > > of a number, not only a representation of (a method for) an
> > > > > approximation of a number.
> > > > >
> > > > > If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

> > > >
> > > > Mmmh....I suppose I can agree with you here....actually I have talked to many Phd's in this matter.....they have said about as much.....I however do believe that it's broke....

> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, all those cars exploding, planes crashing and boats sinking because scientists and engineers simply don't understand that "0(as space) = 1 (as space)."
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com

> >
> > Dan...
> >
> > There was a time we thought the world was flat....boats did not sink....cars did not explode(horse carriages)...

>
> Scientists and engineers today do build cars, planes and ships based on mathematics. You are suggesting that mathematics is somehow "broken." Why? Because you want solutions to 0x=1? Nobody else does. Certainly not scientists and engineers. They all agree that 0x=0 for any number x.
>
>

> > lol.....but the knowledge still proved useful....case in point if division by zero is allowed the following "semantical" mathematical sentence make sense....
> >
> >
> > I have 1 dollar...I divide it by 0 dollars...I still have one dollar......not an undefined....among other benefits....

>
>
> So now 1/0 = 1??? Ah, then multiplying both sides by 0, you obtain 1=0???
>
> You are talking nonsense. Stick to bar-stool philosophy -- counting angels on the heads of pins, the meaning of life and all that. You will have much more fun. And it won't matter if you are right or wrong. This obsession of yours for division by zero can only lead to despair.
>
>
> Dan
>
> Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com

Lol....actually I'm having a lot of fun here. I finally joined the google group and will start posting from here....I can pose multiplicative inverses for both zero and for 1 using the ideas I've previously discussed...you apparently "missed" that part and "division by zero"....in any case quit bringing me up in this thread...its not fair to the original poster....talk to them and about their ideas....talk to me in my thread....

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