Chris wrote: >In my experience, this has never been the case. this is just tlike the >old idea that of you pair-uo a good kid and a miscreant, the miscreant >will learn to behave. What hapoens is that the "good kid" either learns >to be a miscreant, or gets his ass kicked (or both). Putting morons >together with average, or above average students can only impede the >brighter students Watch out Chris, you are about to encounter virulent reactions to your post <;) Perhaps this seems convoluted but is there any similarity to the justice system's emphasis on the rights of the offender and the education establishment's insistence on the rights of the disruptive influences in the classroom? Student's who choose not to participate, or to exert effort, frequently find school "BORING". Students who cannot keep up spend some days in a state of uncomprehending suspended animation and also find school "BORING". In both cases these students frequently create disciplinary situations which detract from the education of the other students in the class. It only takes one disruption to spoil a superbly planned lesson designed to appeal to the various learning styles of the members of a class and while this is an inevitability even under the best of circumstances there is no reason why it has to happen frequently. Staff a classroom with "special education" and discipline support and provide time for planning and coordination between the teachers and it might be possible to avoid what I'm afraid has become inevitable in a great many school systems. If you are fortunate enough to work in such a system, particularly above the elementary level, bless you. In the system in which I work the "special education" folks teach self contained classes of no more than ten kids, both ED and LD and these students are frequently mainstreamed for one or more classes with no assistance provided for the mainstream teacher. I have had classes of 28 students which included as many as 14 LD/ED students and it was sink or swim, deal with the requirements. Needless to say I don't think the 14 "other" kids were appropriatelt served but Lord knows I tried.