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Topic: "Representative sampling?"
Replies: 10   Last Post: Nov 4, 2000 2:57 PM

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 Chris C Posts: 11 Registered: 12/15/04
Re: "Representative sampling?"
Posted: Nov 2, 2000 7:15 PM

wpilib@pitt.edu wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:44:08 GMT, Ross J. Micheals
> <dnxthx@my-deja.com> wrote:
>

> > Is there a statistical definition of "representative sampling?"
>
> No. It is more broadly *logical* than statistical. My notion right
> this minute is, it is most clearly defined by its negation. That is,
> if you avoid the traps of all potential non-representative-ness,
> then you may have representative samples.

Surely the defining property of "representative sampling" is that it be
entirely random. Wouldn't any non-representative mistake violate some
notion of randomness?

> I expect that if you produce a random assignment
> with your chosen 'seed number', you might be unhappy
> if one group got the assignment 8 times in a row; and the like.
> So, if the program is extreme according to the runs-test, you can try
> another seed and get another list. Then you use that one if you like
> it better.
>
> - BUT you should see: A single selection will look 'representative.'
> A million selections done like this will be lacking, grossly, in
> Runs. Does that matter? - well, it might.

It definitely matters. I would argue that "representativeness" is
defined purely by random sampling and the minute we start adding
provisos and requirements it isn't random , and it isn't truly
representative.

Provided your sampling is random, these extreme relationships you
describe should come up in accordance with their probability of
occurring. I have also got a program that does runs tests, similar to
yours. Its amazing how often, from random sampling, you can violate
runs tests. I went to a seminar recently on randomness in which the
speaker invited us to guess which three sequences out of 6 binary
sequences were randomly generated. Our intuition directs us toward
those sequences with the most even "spread" of 1s and 0s (without
perfectly alternating), but we are frequently wrong. the moral is that
if you decide that a sample is representative by how it looks you are
likely to commit error.

Chris

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Date Subject Author
11/2/00 Ross J. Micheals
11/2/00 Jerry Dallal
11/2/00 Rich Ulrich
11/2/00 Chris C
11/2/00 Thomas Gatliffe
11/3/00 Elliot Cramer
11/3/00 Jerry Dallal
11/3/00 J Dumais
11/3/00 Ross J. Micheals
11/4/00 robertd@athenesoft.com