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Topic: New project: certification in statistics
Replies: 17   Last Post: Nov 20, 2000 3:14 PM

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 Ron Hardin Posts: 231 Registered: 12/7/04
Re: manual recount - of punched ballots
Posted: Nov 12, 2000 6:45 PM

Rich Ulrich wrote:
> With 10,000 no-punches where only half that many no-votes should be
> expected (in Palm Beach County), they re-counted a 1% sample and came
> up with 47 additional votes -- about half of the 100 or so that were
> possible, and consistent with the number of no-votes that typically
> are seen. There was no report of how many no-punches had existed.
> Gore gained, as he was expected to, because Gore carried the county by
> almost 2-to-1.

Say punched cards have a 5% reject rate, a figure I've heard several
times, then a manual count without bias always raises the totals
in proportion to the existing votes. Thus as you say, a Democratic
county manually counted picks up net Democratic votes.

Would you say that therefore a Republican county with the reversed
numbers ought to be manually counted as well, if a Democratic one
is? Otherwise it would seem a net Democratic gain is guaranteed.
The county that hand counts wins an even election.

The benefit of the machine counts is the avoidance of bias. The
sign of the difference at the end of it all is an excellent estimate,
not biased, though the totals are biased low by machine counting.

A hand count improves the totals but ruins the differences. But what
you want is the differences, ie the winner, not the totals.

I have heard that punch cards are favored because they retain
vote privacy, and they consider the 5% drop rate acceptable.
--
Ron Hardin
rhhardin@mindspring.com

On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

Date Subject Author
11/11/00 Vincent Granville
11/11/00 Ron Hardin
11/12/00 Thomas Kragh
11/12/00 Henry
11/12/00 Rich Ulrich
11/12/00 Ron Hardin
11/12/00 Henry
11/13/00 Rich Ulrich
11/13/00 Jerry Dallal
11/14/00 Thom Baguley
11/14/00 Bert Bishop
11/15/00 Thom Baguley
11/15/00 Herman Rubin
11/15/00 Herman Rubin
11/16/00 Thom Baguley
11/20/00 Herman Rubin
11/20/00 Tony T. Warnock
11/16/00 P.G.Hamer