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Topic: Other Issues for Grades 4 and 5
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jfoley

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Registered: 12/3/04
where is the real weakness?
Posted: Aug 27, 2002 7:18 PM
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I read Mark's message with shock and disgust! The text or
program for any subject has NEVER been, nor ever will be THE complete
curriculum. It is our job as teachers to know what the students need
to know and to be sure that they receive the required information.
Just because the Investigations program does not BEGIN with an
algorithm does not mean we leave them out! Yes, we hope that the
students will have a deep and meaningful understanding of the concept
and that they will "discover" the traditional algorithm (or at least
see a need for one), but if they don't we don't just throw up our
hands and say, "oh well, maybe next year..."
You'd make a pretty poor American history teacher if you ignored
everything after the Vietnam War just because that's where the "book"
ended.
As for assessment... welcome to the age of authentic assessment.
Maybe you haven't heard, there are many ways to asses a student's
understanding and they don't ALL involve a multiple choice test!
Investigations allows teachers to see where students' misconceptions
are- much more meaningful than just seeing that their answer to number
26 is "wrong." It also encourages metacognition- and the ability to
communicate your thinking to others. I've known plenty of people (you
may be one of them!) that can accurately plug numbers into a given
formula but couldn't problem solve their way out of a paper bag. As a
teacher AND a parent, I'll take a child that can THINK over a child
that can memorize (even my dog can consistantly follow a repetitious
series of steps) ANY day!
Bob's additional comments are equally hard to swallow. I can't
believe that any principal would instruct his/ her teachers to "send
home old texts so the parents can teach math at home." If that is
true, your school district has MUCH bigger problems than the Math text
or program it has chosen to adopt.




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