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Topic: CNN.com - Is U.S. becoming hostile to science? - Oct 28, 2005
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Kirby Urner

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Re: Intelligent Design and Academic Freedom (warning! lengthy)
Posted: Dec 2, 2005 8:08 PM
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Hey Paul, I agree with you that we need to take the bull by the horns as it were.

ID isn't going to go away, but it is still fluid enough at present to allow evolutionary biologists access to their equipment and labs.

If the lawyers go too far, they'll make real science illegal, unless Church approved. We'll live in a neo-fascist state, wherein you must lick the boots of the God-fearing party apparatus, or kiss your funding good bye.

Fortunately, the secularly-minded IRS isn't subject to complete cave-in at the moment, and NSF, other government agencies, have ways to nurture science without setting up the kinds of religio-political litmus tests that would allow organized religion to prosecute its wars (against reason, against its various selves) to the bitter end.

The last thing the world needs right now is a lot of ignorant sinning. Most of us would rather *not* have our day dreams consumed by vengefully righteousness fantasies of how we'll make those projected dark sider unbelievers suffer for their antagonistic attitudes.

Let's thank our lucky stars that we're still free of religious tyrants and dogmatic demagogues for the time being.

But vigilance is in order, and education, as you say. Sagan is a good model. So is Linus Pauling.

Kirby

PS: I'm not saying the only scientists who get access to funding should be resolutely Darwinist, whatever that means. If you're a complexity evolutionist who thinks intelligent life is a mathematical inevitability, given the necessary chemicals, i.e. is very far from being some "random chance" or "mutant" phenomenon, well, there's plenty of room at the table for you as well. Science is nothing without raging internal debates.


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10/28/05
Read CNN.com - Is U.S. becoming hostile to science? - Oct 28, 2005
Michael Paul Goldenberg
10/28/05
Read Re: CNN.com - Is U.S. becoming hostile to science? - Oct 28, 2005
Brian Cheek
10/28/05
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Michael Paul Goldenberg
11/20/05
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Brian Cheek
11/21/05
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Michael Paul Goldenberg
11/21/05
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talmanl@mscd.edu
11/21/05
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Brian Cheek
11/21/05
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Michael Paul Goldenberg
11/22/05
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Wayne Bishop
11/22/05
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Michael Paul Goldenberg
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Paul A. Tanner III
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Greg Goodknight
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Brian Cheek
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Michael Paul Goldenberg
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Brian Cheek
11/22/05
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Kirby Urner
11/22/05
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Ruth Walker
11/22/05
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