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Topic: SF: Finally, surrogate factoring
Replies: 86   Last Post: Jun 10, 2006 11:51 PM

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 David C. Ullrich Posts: 21,553 Registered: 12/6/04
Re: JSH: SF: Finally, surrogate factoring
Posted: Jun 8, 2006 6:34 AM

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:51:53 -0400, Rick Decker <rdecker@hamilton.edu>
wrote:

>
>
>David C. Ullrich wrote:

>> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:54:03 -0400, Rick Decker <rdecker@hamilton.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>

>>>
>>>Tim Peters wrote:
>>>

>>>>[...]
>>>>
>>>>What I don't understand is how anything other than that outcome could be
>>>>_hoped_ for here. No amount of rearranging and cross-substituting the
>>>>initial equations (whatever they may be) is going to yield new information,
>>>>and there's never a step that even requires the quantities to be integers
>>>>(as opposed to, e.g., arbitrary complex numbers). How can someone imagine
>>>>that insight into integer factorization could result from this insight-less
>>>>symbol-pushing?

>>>
>>>I think that what we interpret as obfuscation on James' part is actually
>>>a consequence of the fact that his understanding is extremely shallow.
>>>This is, I think, the reason that he thinks his "prime counting
>>>function" is truly new and innovative--he really is incapable of even
>>>the slightest bit of abstraction that to all mathematicians is as
>>>natural as breathing.

>>
>>
>> Huh. Ya think?

>
>You missed my point. Until recently I thought that it was James'
>narcisism that motivated his jaw-dropping refusal to see that
>there was nothing new in his prime-counting function. Now, though,
>I have come to the view that he's lacking an important faculty
>that all mathematicians have. It's pitiful, really.

I don't think I missed that point - I thought that the point
you make was obvious. Sorry.

>> Both you guys must be new here.
>
>Hrrumph. Now you're playing the newbie card. I think I'll

Oh my gosh. Ok, never mind. You're absolutely right about
everything. Thanks for the novel insight.

><snip>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Rick

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David C. Ullrich

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