In article <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Lester Zick <DontBother@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:38:37 -0600, Virgil <email@example.com> wrote: > >> > >> Of course. The difference is that it would be nice to start with > >> something true instead of something just assumed to be true. > > > >If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. > > Which is undoubtedly why you ride.
That would require, among other things, wishes to be horses, which I doubt.
> > > >Until Zick, or someone else, can provide a way of finding a basis for > >everything in absolute truths, one has to start with some collection of > >premises. In mathematics such ur-premises are collectively called an > >axiom system. > > Most faith based beliefs are.
Zick can claim to speak for them if he wishes.
I speak only for the others, the more common non-faith based systems of axiomatic mathematics.