Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote: > In <firstname.lastname@example.org>, on > 07/23/2006 > at 10:02 PM, email@example.com said: > > >You have to assume that the term "you" refers to something. > > No. The cow that jumped over the moon is a fool. Now do you believe > that the cow that jumped over the moon exists?
The phrase "refers to something" is not identical to the phrase "exists". You are assuming that the term "you" *referes* *to* *something*. For if it doesn't, then the entire sentence is meaningless gibberish.
Either the phrase "the cow that jumped over the moon" refers to something or it doesn't. If it doesn't, then "The cow that jumped over the moon is a fool" is a meaningless string of words, not a sentence. You would have made use of symbols that do not make reference to anything. If the phrase "the cow that jumped over the moon" DOES refer to something, the burden of proof is now on you to show that whatever it is that the term refers to is indeed a fool. Making it two assumptions on your part.
The sentence "I am", on the other hand does not assume anything: "I" is simply whoever or whatever made that claim and "am" merely asserts that that thing exists. Whatever it is. Which it has to in order to make the claim. Which proves the claim.
This has been explained to you before.
> >The statement "I am" is proven true the moment it is asserted, for > >it could not possibly be asserted if it wasn't true. > > You are a figment of my imagination [...]
If you exist and I am an aspect of you then I exist. My existence is thus not under dispute here. And neither is therefore the truth of the statement "I am".
> [...] and didn't actually say "I exist".
Anything you say in an attempt to deny the existence of any one claim proves that you are aware of the existence of the claim. If you are aware of the existence of the claim, then the claim was created somewhere, somewhen by something or somebody. Which must exist, or it could not have generated the claim in the first place. Which proves the claim to be true.
All this is trivial and obvious. It has been proven conclusively before. Several times. The proof has been explained to you. More than once.