
Re: Math Forum and the mathteach discussion
Posted:
Jul 23, 2007 12:14 AM


Thanks Michael, reviewing these old posts has been fun. It is obvious that my "accusations of racism" were nothing more than pointing out implications of unintended consequences of racebased (and sexbased) decisionmaking in mathematics education. Justice Roberts said it beautifully, "the best way to stop racial discrimination is to stop discriminating on the basis of race." Solid evidence that minority students or women learn mathematics better using curricula or pedagogy better aligned for white males (Asian females included) would need to be considered but the fact is that no such thing exists. In fact, all evidence points the other direction, women and minority students who succeed in mathbased studies do the same problems, take the same tests, etc., as their white male counterparts. The Roberts logic applies.
Wayne
At 02:13 PM 7/22/2007, Michael Paul Goldenberg wrote: >A little more wayne and accusations of racism: > ><http://tinyurl.com/2vobd9> > >"It was the first >edition of Algebra 1 (now in the third?) that got the word spreading, >that got >the Window Rock High School Navajo kids performing at national norm >level, and >that got my daughter's Mae Carden school to drop Mae Carden's eighth >grade math >curriculum (rest her anguished soul) in favor of Saxon. It spread >from there >down, gradebygrade, with consistently improved student performance >and with a >high level of student, teacher, and parental approval. The school is >far above >the ERB CTP III independent school norms which are themselves far >above their >suburban norms and which are in turn far above their allstudent norms. >Ignorance will credit this to affluence and/or race. THAT PERSPECTIVE >IS ELITIST AND/OR RACIST. >[emphasis added] > It is a competent, daybyday program, consistent over >time  including mandated, neatly prepared, homework  and nothing else. >Indian kids in Fort Defiance, AZ, learn mathematics just like my >daughter does >given the opportunity and the necessary coercion. > > >Wayne. > >On Jul 22, 2007, at 4:38 PM, Greg Goodknight wrote: > >>Richard Strausz wrote: >>>>Michael Paul Goldenberg wrote: >>>> >>>>>I think where the problem comes in is when people >>>>who WANT to talk >>>>>about teaching are quickly attacked for not using >>>>Saxon or Singapore >>>>>Math and hence being "racists," >>>>I don't recall this ever happening. One or more >>>>quotes, please, with dates and authors. Folks just wanting to >>>>talk about >>>>teaching being smeared as racists for the crime of not using Saxon >>>>or Singapore. >>>> >>>>Greg >>> >>>Greg, this has been part of Wayne's regular method of operation. >>>His message was that if one didn't use Saxon or Singapore, one was >>>depriving the needy students of their rights. >>>Richard >>If it is a regular MO, then it should be easy to find an example. >>"Folks just wanting to talk about teaching being smeared as >>racists". One classic example such that the above can be seen as a >>fair representation. >> >>Greg >>

