Well, you're fun must be similar to mine: I enjoy telling people who think it's okay to falsely accuse people of racism what I think of them.
So I see we've resolved the problems of this list in predictable fashion: you have no intention of admitting, even with clear evidence, that you have been following the Jim Sleeper "liberal racism" baiting game since at least 1994, clever lad that you are. I won't bother to express my opinion of Justice Roberts. Your record speaks for itself. Bob Megginson's analysis of your posts says all that need be said in response, though he wasn't alone on the AMTE list in recognizing, decrying, and despising your tactics. I found lots of long-forgotten material there.
Hence, what I quoted last night from Jerry Uhl about the Northridge Nazis and their impact on another list is just one more indication that I've not been imagining the last dozen years or so. First Jerry Rosen and David Klein moved over to this list from that calculus list they politicized. You joined here a week or so later, having been informed by them of the need to make haste to invade a new territory. Your first post to this list addressed me. You attempted to straighten me out regarding commentary I'd offered about a Klein and Rosen guest editorial in a New York paper (if memory serves). Do I need to refresh your recollection on that one? Maybe tomorrow.
Suffice it to say that you haven't exactly mellowed with age.
As to your comments below: I said 11 years ago that the methods you believe in don't serve very many people well. Some of the people they seem to serve adequately are women. Some are men. Some are black. Some are Asian. Some are white. Regardless of whether they appear to better serve, on average, more of one ethnic background than another, more of one sex than another, isn't important to me, quite frankly. What is important is that the way you think mathematics MUST be taught simply is too narrow, ignores everything I and, as Mark Klespis said to you on the amte list-serve, lots of very knowledgeable people know about teaching mathematics. He stated that you clearly know little or nothing about teaching. I think he was quite correct, and you insist on a regular basis upon reinforcing that opinion.
On Jul 23, 2007, at 12:14 AM, Wayne Bishop wrote:
> Thanks Michael, reviewing these old posts has been fun. It is > obvious that my "accusations of racism" were nothing more than > pointing out implications of unintended consequences of race-based > (and sex-based) decision-making in mathematics education. Justice > Roberts said it beautifully, "the best way to stop racial > discrimination is to stop discriminating on the basis of race." > Solid evidence that minority students or women learn mathematics > better using curricula or pedagogy better aligned for white males > (Asian females included) would need to be considered but the fact > is that no such thing exists. In fact, all evidence points the > other direction, women and minority students who succeed in math- > based studies do the same problems, take the same tests, etc., as > their white male counterparts. The Roberts logic applies.