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quasi

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Re: Random numbers
Posted: Dec 21, 2007 9:17 AM
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:13:37 -0500, quasi <quasi@null.set> wrote:

>On 21 Dec 2007 14:53:38 +0200, Phil Carmody
><thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>

>>quasi <quasi@null.set> writes:
>>> On 21 Dec 2007 14:33:08 +0200, Phil Carmody
>>> <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>

>>> >John <iamachamp@gmail.com> writes:
>>> >> Given a function that returns a random number between 1-5, write one
>>> >> that returns a random number between 1-7 for the case when it should
>>> >> be integer and for the case it can be real.

>>> >
>>> >int rand1to7i()
>>> >{
>>> > int r1=rand1to5i();
>>> > if(r1==5) { r1+=rand1to5i()/2; }
>>> > return r1;
>>> >}

>>>
>>> Fatally flawed.

>>
>>Wrong. Care to back up your claim? Between you and me, I
>>reckon you've not thought about my response enough.

>
>Yes, do a simulation, and then _you_ think about it.
>

>>> >double rand1to7d()
>>> >{
>>> > return rand1to5d()+(rand1to5d()-1)/2;
>>> >}

>>>
>>> Inefficient -- uses 2 RNG calls, instead of 1.

>>
>>Wrong. If you stretch the numbers out, you'll leave gaps
>>between them, these aren't actual reals, you did realise
>>that, right? You *need* 2 calls to ensure that you leave
>>no gaps.

>
>Forget gaps -- your method is biased!


Ok, your method for the real case is not biased -- sorry.

But your integer method is biased, and badly so.

quasi


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