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Topic: Answer to Dik T. Winter
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 mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de Posts: 18,076 Registered: 1/29/05
Re: Natural numbers are uniquely defined
Posted: May 27, 2009 10:48 AM

On 27 Mai, 14:44, David C. Ullrich <dullr...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2009 01:04:52 -0700 (PDT), WM
>
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> <mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> >On 26 Mai, 21:49, Virgil <virg...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >> > If we define:
>
> >> > 1 is a natural number
> >> > and
> >> > with n also n+1 is a natural number
> >> > and
> >> > N is the smallest set that satisfies both conditions

>
> >> > then N is uniquely specified.
> >> > Of course there can be different models for N and there can be
> >> > different names for the elements of N. But that does not matter. The
> >> > natural numbers do not enter mathematics because someone "defines"
> >> > them, names them, or makes models of them, but because the natural
> >> > numbers are simply existing and mathematics is built upon them.

>
> >> But according to WM, no such thing as N can exist.
> >> So WM wold throw out the naturals on which so much is built.

>
> >The question is not whether the complete set of all naturals exists.
> >That question alrady is nearly as ridiculous as any affirmative

>
> >The question is whether we could inform someone who does not yet know,
> >what we understand by the sequence of natural numbers.

>
> Sorry, I can't follow any of this, because I don't already know what
> you mean by the words "question", "is", "whether", "we".
> "could", "inform", "someone", "who", "does", "not", "yet",
> and "understand".

"because I don't already know what you mean by the words"
Obviously you can understand that sentence, because you even corrected
"does" is closely related to "do", "don't" is the negation of "do",
apending a truncated version of "not".

So much for the first lesson. "First", abbreviated by "1." or "1^st"
points to the last member of an ordered set of cardinality 1. Any open
questions?

Regards, WM

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