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Virgil

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Re: Natural numbers are uniquely defined
Posted: May 27, 2009 5:15 PM
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<1d5fcfb8-e4f6-496f-8fc9-1ff6b78184a0@k8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
WM <mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> On 26 Mai, 21:49, Virgil <virg...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>

> > > If we define:
> >
> > > 1 is a natural number
> > > and
> > > with n also n+1 is a natural number
> > > and
> > > N is the smallest set that satisfies both conditions

> >
> > > then N is uniquely specified.
> > > Of course there can be different models for N and there can be
> > > different names for the elements of N. But that does not matter. The
> > > natural numbers do not enter mathematics because someone "defines"
> > > them, names them, or makes models of them, but because the natural
> > > numbers are simply existing and mathematics is built upon them.

>
> > But according to WM, no such thing as N can exist.
> > So WM wold throw out the naturals on which so much is built.

>
> The question is not whether the complete set of all naturals exists.


That is a question on which WM differs from the mainstream.
But WM cannot grant its existence in a given argument and then deny it
in the same argument and expect anyone to accept that sort of argument.

> That question alrady is nearly as ridiculous as any affirmative
> answer.


Wrong!
>
> The question is whether we could inform someone who does not yet know,
> what we understand by the sequence of natural numbers.


Children know from a very early age. Whom does WM think is left to
inform?
>
But non-static sets do not exist in any mathematical set theory.
>
> They do not exist in what is commonly called ste theory and what is
> eternally false mathematics.


Only in WM's MathUnrealism is it false. Everywhere else it is the true
math.
>
> Regards, WM


--
Virgil


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