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Virgil

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Re: Answer to Dik T. Winter
Posted: Jun 11, 2009 8:09 PM
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<552bb80e-30b7-447e-a386-693d8fc0c6ca@m19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
WM <mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> On 11 Jun., 22:31, Virgil <virg...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <1348b29b-3f39-40a7-be0e-5bd24a4e3...@s21g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >  WM <mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:
> >

> > > I need no axioms.
> >
> > Then there is absolutely nothing that you take to be true?
> >
> > There are absolutely no truths from which you can deduce other things?

>
> There are truths, like 1 + 1 = 2, or, for linear sets, ExAy <==> AyEx,
> but they cannot be chosen by free will.


Then they cannot be chosen at all.
>
> Incorrect are such lies as the axiom of infinity or the axiom of
> choice.


Incorrect is WM.
> >
> > That makes for a very simple mathematics in which nothing need be true.
> >
> > Consider axioms like in the American Declaration of Independence:
> >
> >    "We hold these truths to be self evident..."
> >
> > Unless WM can list the things he "holds to be self evident", he does not
> > have anything to build on.

>
> There is no necessity to list them in mathematics. Every sober mind
> knows them.


There is every need to list them as without such a list, there can be no
agreement on what they are.

Not everything that seems "self evident" to one person is necessarily so
to all, as the warlike history of mankind evidences.

I find that WM's claims of self-evidentness to be quite false, as do
many, if not all, of those who still bother to read his tirades.

--
Virgil


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