"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:NM17m.187370$DP1.66243@attbi_s22... > Spirit of Truth wrote: >> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message >> news:Bjx6m.781870$yE1.487073@attbi_s21... >>> Spirit of Truth wrote: >>>> Corrected typos: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message >>>> news:LJf5m.776484$yE1.160977@attbi_s21... >>>>> Spirit of Truth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The physical universe all around you is it's own experiment, you just >>>>>> have to open your eyes to see it. And no, my understanding is >>>>>> completely >>>>>> correct. Since things change, they change from an earlier condition. >>>>>> That condition has ceased to be. Similar to the future, it is yet to >>>>>> be. >>>>>> >>>>>> When SR falsely posits lack of simultaneity _the universe_ falsifies >>>>>> it. >>>>>> There is no block universe which lack of simultaneity demands. >>>>>> Your "experiments" are misconceived. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Spirit of Truth >>>>> Dear Spirit-- >>>>> >>>>> I would like you to watch... >>>>> >>>>> The Mechanical Universe series. >>>>> http://www.learner.org/resources/series42.html >>>>> >>>>> 42. The Lorentz Transformation >>>>> If the speed of light is to be the same for all observers, then >>>>> the length of a meter stick, or the rate of a ticking clock, >>>>> depends on who measures it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> and report back to me what the half-hour program says about >>>>> simultaneity or the lack thereof. You can use email if you like. >>>>> >>>>> -Sam >>>> Yes, an excellent presentation. Yes, I was aware of all that. There was >>>> one mistake in verbiage when it was first mentioned that >>>> simultaneneity >>>> was out between the person at rest and the traveller, didn't make it >>>> clear >>>> that it was what one frame was thinking happened in the other frame. >>>> The truth, as later noted, was that BOTH frames seeing themselves at >>>> rest >>>> see the light in their frames being received simultaneously, which is >>>> what >>>> I have posted often here. >>> >>> OK, Spirit, you looked at Lesson 42: The Lorentz Transformation. >>> >>> Now if the speed of light is to be the same for all inertial observers >>> (as indicated by the Michelson-Morley experiment) the equations for time >>> and space are not difficult to find. But what do they mean? They mean >>> that the length of a meter stick, or the rate of ticking of a clock >>> depends on who measure it. >>> >>> o Can you use the Lorentz Transformation to work problems relating >>> time or space intervals in different reference frames? >>> >>> o Can you give some of the hypothetical explanations put forward to >>> account for the Michelson-Morley experiment? >>> >>> o Can you discuss the concept of length contraction? >>> >>> o Can you understand and use spacetime diagrams? >>> >>> o Can you define and discuss the concept of simultaneity? >>> >>> o Can you define and discuss clock synchronization? >>> >>> Spirit, If you can't do these things, then you don understand the >>> relevant material related to the Lorentz Transform. >> >> ................................................................................................... >> .................................................................................................. >> Sam, stop being so stubborn. Yes, I completely understand the >> reason for time dilation, length contraction and the rest and Lorentz >> and the rest. > > Spirit, if you are sincere and do understand special relativity... > then you should be understanding that there is a BIG contradiction > between SR showing you there is no absolute simultaneity and your > thinking there is!
Of course, Sam, that is why you need to help find the answer since ''Lack of simultaneity' doesn't translate to the real universe. :)
Spirit
>> However, you need to confront that lack of simultaneity is FALSE >> and so, really, whether you realize it or not, YOU have a problem >> with defense of the indefensible. Obviously, a person who actually >> understood as much as I understand would have to agree to a >> blockhead universe and a zillion incarnations of himself and that >> he was just a puppet of an bleak and barren universe. >> >> You would do better not ignoring the pearls I posted for you >> in that original email. Recall ''pearls before swine''. >> >> >> Spirit of Truth
