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ayatollah potassium

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Re: Tautologies, math, and Wiles's work
Posted: Jul 20, 2003 4:49 AM
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James Harris wrote:

> > there is nothing to differentiate your complaints about Wiles
> > from complaints about photons, DNA, the Jurassic era,
> > evolution, relativity, and the rest.

>
> [...] Wiles's supposed accomplishment rests *solely*
> on the assertion of a relatively small group of people that
> his work is correct.


There is no difference in that respect between Wiles and photons,
DNA, etc. Where differences exist, they tend to favor Wiles' proof
over the other situations. Experimental evidence, for example, can be
checked more easily, unambiguously and objectively in Wiles' situation
than the others.


> Yet to take one of your examples--photons--and consider that the
> existence of photons has been theorized for some time, but was proven
> by experiment.


It was not *proven* by experiment: another respect in which Wiles'
work is qualitatively more reliable than photons, DNA, and the rest.
The physics experiments were consistent with certain theoretical models,
but of course, you have not even come close to verifying the immense
chain of experimental and theoretical reasoning leading to the current models
with "photons". Instead, you rely on textbooks, fourth-hand (if that)
accounts, and the assertions of the Science Establishment.

And the 64 dollar question is why you happily parrot the party line
on matters of photons, DNA, relativity, evolution, the existence of
the Iraq War and Sikkim and Napoleon --- but intone high skepticism
concerning Wiles.


> Since that time from lasers to spectral analysis the theory has fit
> with reality.


Lasers only hurt your cause, as to check that a laser (resp. spectrometry)
experiment actually corroborates "photons" you would have to check matters
of chemistry, crystallography (geology!), engineering, manufacture, and so
on all the way down. The only way out of this is to accept various assertions
on faith from the Evil Scientific Establishment, and the question arises why you
are such a sheep and conformist when it comes to non-Wiles but raise hightened
standards concerning Wiles (who of courses passes all the scientific standards
for photons, etc, and then some).





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