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Virgil

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Re: Another AC anomaly?
Posted: Dec 5, 2009 2:06 PM
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<985b08f2-a385-48b6-9d94-0d45815bc066@f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
WM <mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> On 4 Dez., 23:18, Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote:
> > In article
> > <ce07a2f1-cf4c-4e53-b5d5-b1fcd2d80...@s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >  WM <mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> > > On 4 Dez., 09:20, Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <949e3b4b-04c5-4d6e-ba64-7f95d37db...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,

> >
> > > > Actual mathematics would say that while every
> > > > node and every edge is included in the sequence, there is no member of
> > > > the sequence having all of them at once.

> >
> > > Everey member covers the first node.
> > > The n-the member covers all nodes including 1 and n.
> > > So logic forces us (i.e. those who can) to conclude that if all nodes
> > > are covered then there is a path covering all nodes.

> >
> > That WM's particular form of logic is rife with contradictions.
> >
> > For every 0 node there is a path in WM's set NOT containing it,
> > and for every path in WM's set there is a node NOT contained in it,
> > so why does WM insist that there is a path in your set containing every
> > node?

>
> That is potential infinity.
> For every node there is a path surpassing it
> For every path there is a node surpassing it.


While I can guess what you mean by saying "For every node there is a
path surpassing it", I have no idea what you might mean by "For every
path there is a node surpassing it".

> There is no "all nodes" and no "all paths".

There is in ZF and in most set theories.

If there is no "all nodes" your claim of "For every node" is impossible.
If there is no "all paths" your claim of "For every path" is impossible.

You can't have one without the other.
>
> Actual infinity infinity or set theory, what is the same, claim that
> there is a path containing all nodes


Only in unary trees. In binary trees no path contains all nodes.




> (namely the path 0.000...)

Which does not contain the node 0.1


> and
> that the union of all paths
> 0.111...
> 0.0111...
> 0.00111...
> ...
> contains the path 0.000...


Not outside of Wolkenmuekenheim

> but that there is no single path of the list containing all nodes of
> 0.000...


That path, 0.000..., certainly contains all nodes of that path!!!!!

WM's already slim grasp of reality is fading fast.
>
> That is simply impossible. The union of paths of the list contains
> exactly as many nodes of 0.000... as one of those paths to be unioned.


WRONG!!! Each such path contains only finitely many nodes of 0.000...,
but the union of all of them contains more than any finite number of
those nodes.


> If none of them contains all nodes of 0.000..., then even infinitely
> many will not accomplish that goal.


If each of infinitely many of them contains a node not contained in any
of its predecessors, which is the case, then that union will contain all
of them, at least outside of Wolkenmuekenheim
>
> The union of paths cannot result in more than any contributing path.


The set of nodes of the union of even two paths results already in a
proper superset of the nodes in any one path, at least outside of
Wolkenmuekenheim.

> The union can be potentially infinite. A union of finite paths cannot
> yield a path of fixed length the lengths of which surpasses every
> contributing path.


In an infinite binary tree there are no finite paths, and unions of
paths do not produce paths at all in any tree, at least outside of
Wolkenmuekenheim.


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