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Virgil

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Re: Another AC anomaly?
Posted: Dec 12, 2009 7:27 PM
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<9666e772-f179-4b97-aa0f-87cb8dce00ce@9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
George Greene <greeneg@email.unc.edu> wrote:

> On Dec 12, 12:02 pm, WM <mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:
> > The union of all natural numbers is, according to set theory, omega.
>
> YOU ARE *LYING*.
> You DON'T KNOW shit about set theory.
> You ESPECIALLY do not know what set theory means by "Union".
> In set theory, you CAN'T SAY "all natural numbers".
> In set theory (in first-order ZF, anyway), EVERYthing that
> you can talk about IS *ALREADY* a set!
> "All natural numbers" IS *THE SET OF* all natural numbers!
> There is no other way TO EVEN SAY it!
> Moreover, ZF has AN AXIOM of union!
> You MUST ALREADY have A SET of things BEFORE you can take
> the union OF THAT *ONE SINGLE* set! You CANNOT (in set theory)
> take the union of MORE than one thing UNTIL AFTER you have collected
> those multiple things INTO ONE set!
>
> In other words, in ZF, U(w)=w.
> You have TO ALREADY HAVE omega before you can take the union of it.
> The union does NOT CREATE something out of infinitely many things.
> w in set theory is created BY AN AXIOM. It is just FORCED into
> existence
> BY FIAT. THE AXIOM of infinity just STATES that a set containing (as
> a subset)
> omega MUST exist. There IS NO mechanism (not union OR ANYTHING ELSE)
> for creating it!


While you are perfectly correct, WM has the great advantage of being
both arrogantly stupid and invincibly ignorant, against which
combination even gods strive in vain.


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