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Ruth Walker

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Registered: 12/6/04
Re: The Worst Scientific Scandal of Our Generation
Posted: Dec 23, 2009 3:52 PM
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I wondered why Dr. Bishop quoted an article 3 1/2 years old about data from 1992 to 2002. Apparently Lou is right that Wayne recognizes only data that would seem to justify the conclusion he wants. This worked for him only if clearly taken out of context.

> On Dec 22, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Wayne Bishop wrote:

> http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jun/25/science/sci-gr
> eenland25
> You have to get to paragraph 32, pages into the
> article, to read:
>
> "Zwally and his colleagues in March [2006] released
> an analysis of
> data from two European remote-sensing satellites
> showing the amount
> of water locked up in the ice sheet had risen
> slightly between 1992 and 2002.


What that article (on page 3) really said was this (and that was 3 1/2 years ago):

He has been coming to Swiss Camp every year since 1994 and has been studying the polar regions since 1972, monitoring the polar ice through satellite sensors.

Eventually he realized he had to study the ice firsthand.

The ice sheet seemed such a stolid reservoir of cold that many experts had been confident of it taking centuries for higher temperatures to work their way thousands of feet down to the base of the ice cap and undermine its stability.

By and large, computer models supported that view, predicting that as winter temperatures rose, more snow would fall across the dome of the ice cap. Thus, by the seasonal bookkeeping of the ice sheet, Greenland would neatly balance its losses through new snow.

Indeed, Zwally and his colleagues in March released an analysis of data from two European remote-sensing satellites showing the amount of water locked up in the ice sheet had risen slightly between 1992 and 2002.

Then the ice sheet began to confound computer-generated predictions.

By 2005, Greenland was beginning to lose more ice volume than anyone expected -- an annual loss of up to 52 cubic miles a year -- according to more recent satellite gravity measurements released by JPL.

The amount of freshwater ice dumped into the Atlantic Ocean has almost tripled in a decade.


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