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Re: OT: copyright
Posted: Apr 11, 2010 2:24 AM
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TOn Apr 10, 10:08 pm, Marshall <marshall.spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 10, 9:24 pm, Link <marty.musa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Apr 10, 6:05 pm, Marshall <marshall.spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 10, 4:41 pm, Link <marty.musa...@gmail.com> wrote:
u> > > > On Apr 10, 8:36 am, Marshall <marshall.spi...@gmail.com>
wrote:Ouch
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> > > As a simple example, I recall the case from the early
> > > 1990s of a German company taking a version of
> > > Photoshop, replacing the resource file with their own
> > > icons and names for menu items, and selling it
> > > as their own product.

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> > > The sort of wholesale ripoff I describe happens
> > > all the time. Another example on this very newsgroup
> > > would be this guy Musatov who posts other people's
> > > stuff (I seem to recall a passage from Finnegan's Wake)
> > > and claims authorship.

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> > > Certainly that is the rule of thumb in the LA film market.
> > > There are extra-legal reasons why this is the case;
> > > for example the Writer's Guild. But mostly, the reason
> > > is copyright law.

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> > > > But bigger than this is these things never happen.
>
> > > False.
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> > > > When a writer is
> > > > successful it is usually NOT ALWAYS but usually he has
> > > > developed his craft and made his or her own opportunities
> > > > along the way. This is to say no one has his work or even
> > > > wants it until he is successful, so he focuses on his
> > > > talent and leverages this talent through a small network
> > > > or perhaps a literary agency, and this affords pmprotection.

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> > > Any protection so afforded exists because of copyright law.
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> > > > After I have made my money on a property, this is to say,
> > > > no one else is depriving me of money I would have
> > > > otherwise earned from the project, I gladly hand it over
> > > > to the domain of public works.

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> > > Copyright has always been of limited duration. Once
> > > we are arguing over what the limit should be, we
> > > have accepted the necessity of copyright and are
> > > just working out the details.

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> > > > > It's somewhat silly to just say "copyright is not the
> > > > > way to do it" but have no idea what that other way
> > > > > is. Of course there's a reason no one ever says what
> > > > > the other way is: copyright IS the way to do it.

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> > > > The other way to do it is to require damages for lawsuits.
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> > > > Pure and straightforward. Get it?
>
> > > What are you going to sue for in a world without
> > > copyright law? You generally can't prevail in a suit
> > > against someone for doing something that is legal.

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> > > You claim that the way to protect authors is lawsuits
> > > is an explicit admission that copyright protects authors,
> > > and that authors need copyright to protect them.

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> > > > The bottom line is the net is opening up distribution and means
> > > > of communication we have not anticipated and the Internet as it
> > > > exists is never a completed object always a work oin progress
> > > > so these trends will continue and I suspect the impact it
> > > > will have on society will be a much more communal effect
> > > > recognition and reward for true talent, and the reduction of
> > > > the majority of resources held only by an elite few.

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> > > Certainly the internet is responsible for a fair amount of
> > > disintermediation, and we can expect more in the future.
> > > Certainly the internet is altering the way we distribute
> > > various forms of creative works. None of that has any
> > > bearing on whether copyright is necessary or useful.

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> > You have to see the difference between being profitable and claiming
> > credit for something in the process versus posting text on a forum as
> > part of a math and computational experiment

>
> I see some differences and I see some similarities. What
> does that have to do with what I wrote about copyright?
>

> > when the truth is you really do not care
> > what anyone else thinks. This is the truth.

>
> Yes, you are always going on and on about how much
> you do not care what we think. It rings hollow. You go
> to great lengths to show your contempt for us, for math,
> and for logic. These are not the actions of someone
> who does not care.
>

> > [slightly reordered]
> > Have I made a dime of off anyone else's legitimate work I
> > did nothing to improve or alter substantially to make it novel?

>
> > No. I have made no money period.
> > [...]
> > I would never profit to the depriving another what they have
> > earned. I will not.

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> Whether you profit or not has little to do with issues of
> copyright. When you post Joyce under your own name,
> it's plagiarism. Mild plagiarism, to be sure, just as when
> you post others' technical or academic work as your own
> is mild, because no one could possibly mistake any of it
> for your own output. But it's plagiarism nonetheless. And
> often a copyright violation.
>

> > I do it in the name of learning and disregard for convention.
>
> Ha! That's rich. I suppose you mean you are "leaning"
> what kind of reaction you get to your outrageous behavior.
> And "convention" is clearly not what you are trying to
> get free of. I don't know what actually happened
> to you; a loved one lost to cancer; a girlfriend lost
> to a guy who was good at math; whatever. Your
> personal pain doesn't make it okay to act like a
> jackass, no matter how much it hurts.
>
> Man up, Nancy.
>
> Marshall


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