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Topic: 3 dimensions and their 6 directions
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 dlzc@aol.com \(formerly\) Posts: 181 Registered: 12/6/04
Re: 3 dimensions and their 6 directions
Posted: May 11, 2010 5:53 PM

Dear Tim Golden BandTech.com:

On May 11, 1:56 pm, "Tim Golden BandTech.com" <tttppp...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On May 11, 3:21 pm, dlzc <dl...@cox.net> wrote:
> > On May 11, 11:37 am, Thomas Heger <ttt_...@web.de> wrote:
> > ...

>
> > > Let me speculate a bit about those 'lightmills'.
>
>
> > > As my short term investigation has found out,
> > > these objects have a maximum speed with a
> > > vacuum of 0.05 bar and respond to infrared
> > > only.

>
> > All wavelengths, if one has a good internal vacuum.
>
> Errrr. Got to pay for this link. No thanks dlzc.
> Here's one

> I found from
> which is a torsion system.
>
> There are some pretty weird things going on

The point is, light carries momentum. That an instrument can be made
that makes more of a "to do" of its energy, should not blind us to the
facts.

> Wouldn't it be acceptable to simply shade
> one half of the spinning device and not
> worry about a color difference on the
> plates?

It isn't, or shouldn't be, the color, but the reflectivity.

> Then one with reflective plates can be
> compared against one with black plates.

Would work for a torsion system, but you'd still need "zero" pressure.

> It seems the reflective one should spin
> faster, and that both should spin away
> from the radiation source. Then again,
> if the black one were to have an
> insulated back side it seems to me its
> rate should go up, which puts me back at
> the black and white radiometer running
> on this effect.
>
> Spinning toward the light is very difficult
> to grasp.

Think of the light as bullets, and the resulting heat radiated as
having lower "mass" or "speed".

> I still haven't gotten to studying that
> thermal edge effect.

Not an issue with a good vacuum.

> I'm gonna try building one of these shaded
> ones in a pickle jar sometime soon.
> I'll let you know how it goes. Probably
> with a light copper wire beam on a steel
> pin, with aluminum foil vanes, mounted to
> the lid of a jar.

We've got 'em floating in space now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YORP_effect

And pickle jars are deadly under perfect vacuum.

...
> > > There is something, I have serious
> > > problems with: As being an amateur
> > > with wage knowledge and a budget of
> > > nothing, how is it possible for a
> > > single person to challenge the
> > > mainstream, that has a headcount in
> > > the millions and endless funds?

>
> > You've been challenging it.  You're making
> > more of your black magic than you should,
> > but you are looking...

>
> > > There is something more than wrong,
> > > but I don't know exactly what.

>
> > Consider the budget of the man that
> > invented the radiator overflow reservoir.
> > It wasn't invented (first) by a large
> > company.  You find a repeatable effect,
> > and you describe it, and maybe you will
> > get lucky.

>
> > What is "more than wrong", is that you
> > are coming to the fight completely
> > unarmed.  There is a vast array of
> > knowledge at your fingertips, and hosts
> > of people have tried to make the
> > knowledge easy to assimilate.  Yet you
> > spend effort imagining and describing
> > "conspiracy".  You choose the company
> > you keep, both in terms of people and
> > in terms of knowledge.

>
> > But it is of course, your life...
>
> Well, there are plenty of scientists who
> know that the system is more than wrong.

Cold fusion scientists don't count. The system we have is the only
one possible.

> Funding pressures and pressures to
> publish... aren't these the standard
> woes?

How else do we get them out of the ivory tower, into stuff you and I
can use? Mathematics had it the way you imagine for hundreds of
years... and Programmers for some Big Iron folks still think that way.

> We sure do have a whole stinking pile of
> information in journals that we have no
> much of it is worth anything?

All of it, if you know the "shorthand"...

> Things are changing, and if some censor
> doesn't like your work there is arxiv
> right? That's the way things are going,
> and sifting the bullcrap out always was

You do realize that Science is at heart and antagonistic field right?
You make a statement or result, and NO ONE is supposed to take your
word for it.

> Let's not forget Newton, who attempted
> to decrypt the bible or some such. Then
> there was Pythagoras who banned some
> numbers.

He was God at some point, if you'll recall.

> Now what have we got? Just because it's
> printed doesn't make it right. For an
> authentic look at an alternative theory
> coming from inside the system read
> Faster Than Light by Magueijo. You can
> buy a used copy off the net for like
> four bucks. He's got plenty to say

> But thanks for the links and info dlzc.
> The problems remain open and always will.

I don't think it is the problem you seem to think it is...

David A. Smith

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