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Topic: Matrix A + B
Replies: 27   Last Post: Jun 7, 2010 12:15 AM

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 Ron Posts: 15 Registered: 6/1/10
Re: Matrix A + B
Posted: Jun 7, 2010 12:08 AM

On Jun 6, 9:58 am, achille <achille_...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:
> On Jun 6, 7:49 pm, Ron <ron.sper...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jun 5, 8:39 am, achille <achille_...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:
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> > > On Jun 5, 4:10 am, Kaba <n...@here.com> wrote:
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> > > > achille wrote:
> > > > > On Jun 4, 9:48 pm, Kaba <n...@here.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
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> > > > > > This is part of the first question for chapter 1 of "Applied numerical
> > > > > > linear algebra" book, but I just can't come up with a solution:

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> > > > > > If A and B are orthogonal matrices, and det(A) = -det(B), show that
> > > > > > A + B is singular.

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> > > > > > Any hints?
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> > > > > > --http://kaba.hilvi.org
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> > > > > Hint:   A^t (A+B) B^t = B^t + A^t  and take det(.) on both sides.
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> > > > Well, that's straightforward, thanks:)
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> > > > I am not sure if this is a best kind of exercise, at least when
> > > > separated from any context. It seems this is just a trick, with no
> > > > deeper lesson to learn. But maybe it is used somewhere in the next
> > > > pages.

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> > > > --http://kaba.hilvi.org
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> > > Let S be the unit sphere and for 0 <= t <= 1, S(t) be
> > > S's image under the linear map x -> ((1-t) A + t B) x.
> > > The volume of S(0) is det(A), the volume of S(1) is det(B).
> > > Since det(A) = -det(B), there is a 0 < t < 1 such that
> > > volume of S(t) = 0. ie. det( (1-t)A + tB ) = 0.
> > > For such t, there is a non-zero vector y such that
> > >     ((1-t)A + tB) y = 0
> > > =>   (1-t)A y = -tB y,
> > > =>  (1-t) |y| = (1-t)|Ay| = t |B y| = t |y|
> > > => 1-t = t
> > > => t = 1/2
> > > => det((A+B)/2) = 0.

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> > I'm not sure what you mean by "volume" here as volume as generally
> > defined is a positive number and you are arguing that either S(0) or
> > S(1) has negative volume.

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> It simply refers to the fact the two embedding S(0) and S(1) of the
> sphere  (to be precise, the n-dim ball which is an orientable n-
> manifold)
> of unit volume into R^n has different orientations. The orientation of
> one of S(0) and S(1) will be opposite to the standard orientation of
> R^n.

This still doesn't say how you are defining volume here. I'm not
trying to knock down your argument since I see what you are trying to
do here, but what is your definition of volume? Absolutely A and B
give different orientations and I think I see what your argument is,
but I think if you are going to use "volume" in a sense that isn't
some kind of measure, then it needs to be defined.

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6/4/10 Maarten Bergvelt
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