On Jul 1, 3:50 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics_z> wrote: > "harald" <h...@swissonline.ch> wrote in message > > news:email@example.com... > On Jul 1, 3:01 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics_z> wrote: > > > > > "harald" <h...@swissonline.ch> wrote in message > > >news:firstname.lastname@example.org... > > On Jul 1, 12:47 am, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote: > > > > On Jul 1, 4:30 am, PD <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > [..] > > > > <quote> > > > > > > At best, all you've done is show the > > > > > fallacies or assumptions inherent in COLP's Oversimplified > > > > > Relativity. > > > > What specific fallacies or assumptions? Quotes, please. > > > > Sure. You've used the statement from COLP's Oversimplified Relativity > > > that moving clocks run slow (which you've said is true even for blue- > > > shifted clocks), and you've used the statement that COLP's > > > Oversimplified Relativity makes no provision whatsoever for a > > > compression of time for a clock turning around. This immediately leads > > > to several paradoxes, and this is ample reason to chuck Colp's > > > Oversimplified Relativity. > > > </quote> > > > > The statement that "moving clocks run slow" isn't an > > > oversimplification, it is directly inferred from Einstein's > > > "Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies". > > > > Also, Einstein's paper makes no provision whatsoever for the > > > compression of time for a clock turning around. > > > Einstein's paper explains that clock rate (as measured with an > > inertial coordinate system) must be the same at the same speed, > > independent of the direction of motion of the clock. Is that what you > > mean? > > =============================================== > > What he means is Einstein's paper makes no provision whatsoever for > > the compression of time for a clock turning around. He does not mean > > "must be the same at the same speed, independent of the direction of > > motion of the clock", you stupid fuck. > > > > The paradoxes which arise from this are ample reason to chuck > > > Einstein's theory. > > > What paradoxes? Different people perceive different paradoxes, but > > they are all easy to explain; and probably the thinking error that you > > fell for was already explained to you, but you either overlooked or > > misunderstood it. > > > Harald > > ============================================== > > It's always someone else that has their stupid head up their arse, never > > you. > > Wrong again, for example: > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/9781a6cf0a8... > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/ae2b133e38b... > > And when did YOU admit to making mistakes? > > Harald > =============================================== > On the couple of occasions when I was. > In your case you don't have a clue what a paradox is.
As I suspected - you could not find even ONE single occasion in which you admitted that you were mistaken!
> In the frame of reference (coordinate system) of the Earth, the clock moves. > In the frame of reference (coordinate system) of the clock, the Earth moves. > > In the frame of reference (coordinate system) of the Earth, the moving clock > runs slow. > In the frame of reference (coordinate system) of the clock, the moving Earth > runs slow.
> When clock and Earth are reunited, each is slower than the other.
Here the the paradox is caused by the confusion between inertial systems and non-inertial systems, as well as a misunderstanding of the meaning of "in the frame of reference" (a misleading jargon). A misunderstanding of the words "move" and "run" in the context of SRT may also play a role: those only have an operational or "relative" sense.
For you all help is too late, but *perhaps* not for colp; if he reacts I may continue a discussion with him.
> That's a paradox, you stupid fuck! > Different people perceive different paradoxes, but they are impossible to > explain; > and probably the thinking error that you fell for was already explained to > you, > but you either overlooked or misunderstood it because you have your stupid > head > up your arse and don't want to face it, you babbling cretin.