Search All of the Math Forum:

Views expressed in these public forums are not endorsed by NCTM or The Math Forum.

Topic: Preferred Frame Theory indistinguishable from SR
Replies: 204   Last Post: Jul 13, 2010 11:11 AM

 Messages: [ Previous | Next ]
 whoever Posts: 19 Registered: 2/7/10
Re: Preferred Frame Theory indistinguishable from SR
Posted: Jul 5, 2010 1:08 AM

"colp" wrote in message

>On Jul 5, 11:52 am, Cosmik de Bris
><cosmik.deb...@elec.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:

>> On 4/07/10 11:07 , colp wrote:
>>
>>
>>

>> > On Jul 4, 2:10 am, PD<thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Jul 3, 1:04 am, colp<c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
>>
>> >>> On Jul 3, 2:57 am, PD<thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> On Jul 1, 6:25 pm, colp<c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:

[snip for brevity]

>> >>>>> The text describes the time dilation of a clock that moves from
>> >>>>> point
>> >>>>> A to point B. If there is no preferred frame of reference then it
>> >>>>> is
>> >>>>> just as true to say that
>> >>>>> the clock is viewed as part of a stationary system and the points A
>> >>>>> and B are in a moving system which moves at velocity -v. The
>> >>>>> conclusion that time for both systems can be dilated with respect
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> the other system is paradoxical.

>>
>> >>>> No, it's not paradoxical at all.
>>
>> >>> It is paradoxical because time for both systems cannot be dilated
>> >>> with
>> >>> respect to each other.

Note your assumption and assertion "cannot be dilated with respect to each
other"

That is incorrect. It is most certainly possible, and I've shown you
previously how differences in clock sync result in mutual time dilation
being measured.

>> >> This is your assumption about what can and cannot be.
>>
>> > No, it is a logical inference derived from Einstein's description of
>> > time dilation and his postulate that there is not preferred frame of
>> > reference.

>>
>> Now you are contradicting yourself.

>
>Wrong. In this case the inference of a paradox means that Einstein's
>assumption is wrong.

There is no paradox .. only your assertion that it 'cannot' be. It is that
assertion that is wrong

>> You started this whole thread
>
>I didn't start this thread, Daryl did.
>

>> with a
>> reference to a paper claiming that it was possible to find an absolute
>> frame.

>
>You mean the paper I quoted from the "Symmetric Twin Paradox" thread?

That's probably the one .. it is equally wrong in its conclusion, as there
is no symmetric twin paradox. SR predicts that the twins have the same age
(no matter which frmae of reference you use).

>> This paper you touted as showing SR to be wrong.
>
>What do you mean by 'touted'?

Lookup a dictionary

>> and you are not
>> using Einstein's description of time dilation you are using a mish-mash
>> of stuff of your own making.

>
>Wrong. I quoted Einstein's description of time dilation from
>"Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies". The text is even present in the
>post that you replied to. If you think that my description is
>materially different, then quote what I said that shows that.

You are using time dilation, but ignoring the rest of SR. That is why YOU
get a paradox, but SR does not.

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---

Date Subject Author
6/26/10 Koobee Wublee
6/26/10 Koobee Wublee
6/26/10 Peter Webb
6/29/10 Koobee Wublee
7/1/10 artful
7/2/10 harald
7/2/10 Androcles
7/2/10 Daryl McCullough
7/2/10 harald
7/2/10 Daryl McCullough
7/2/10 PD
7/3/10 colp
7/3/10 eric gisse
7/5/10 harald
7/5/10 Daryl McCullough
7/11/10 harald
7/11/10 Daryl McCullough
7/11/10 Daryl McCullough
7/11/10 colp
7/11/10 eric gisse
7/12/10 harald
7/12/10 Daryl McCullough
7/12/10 harald
7/12/10 Daryl McCullough
7/13/10 harald
6/29/10 colp
6/29/10 PD
7/1/10 artful
7/2/10 PD
7/3/10 colp
7/9/10 Ken Seto
7/9/10 eric gisse
7/10/10 colp
7/4/10 PD
6/29/10 colp
6/29/10 Androcles
7/3/10 PD
7/10/10 harald
7/10/10 PD
7/10/10 PD
7/3/10 Koobee Wublee
7/4/10 hanson
7/4/10 whoever
7/6/10 Koobee Wublee
7/6/10 Peter Webb
7/7/10 hanson
7/5/10 colp
7/5/10 whoever
7/5/10 eric gisse
7/11/10 harald
7/11/10 Daryl McCullough
7/12/10 harald
7/12/10 Daryl McCullough
6/29/10 PD
7/3/10 colp
7/4/10 whoever
7/4/10 Cosmik Debris
7/4/10 Androcles
7/10/10 colp
7/11/10 Ken Seto
7/6/10 PD
6/30/10 colp
6/30/10 whoever
7/4/10 PD
7/11/10 PD
7/7/10 colp
6/30/10 PD
7/3/10 harald
7/3/10 Daryl McCullough
7/3/10 harald
7/4/10 Daryl McCullough
7/4/10 eric gisse
7/4/10 artful
7/4/10 Ken Seto
7/4/10 harald
7/4/10 Androcles
7/4/10 Daryl McCullough
7/4/10 Daryl McCullough
7/4/10 Aetherist
7/4/10 Y.Porat
7/4/10 harald
7/4/10 Daryl McCullough
7/5/10 colp
7/5/10 whoever
7/5/10 colp
7/11/10 colp
7/11/10 Ken Seto
7/5/10 Koobee Wublee
7/5/10 harald
7/5/10 Daryl McCullough
7/5/10 harald
7/5/10 Daryl McCullough
7/5/10 harald
7/5/10 Daryl McCullough
7/5/10 Daryl McCullough
7/5/10 harald
7/5/10 Aetherist
7/5/10 eric gisse
7/5/10 hanson
7/6/10 harald
7/6/10 harald
7/6/10 Daryl McCullough
7/6/10 Aetherist
7/6/10 Aetherist
7/7/10 harald
7/7/10 harald
7/6/10 harald
7/6/10 Daryl McCullough
7/7/10 harald
7/7/10 Daryl McCullough
7/7/10 Tom Roberts
7/7/10 Daryl McCullough
7/8/10 Tom Roberts
7/7/10 harald
7/7/10 Daryl McCullough
7/7/10 harald
7/7/10 Daryl McCullough
7/7/10 colp
7/7/10 Androcles
7/7/10 whoever
7/7/10 J. Clarke
7/7/10 colp
7/7/10 artful
7/7/10 J. Clarke
7/7/10 colp
7/7/10 eric gisse
7/8/10 harald
7/7/10 PD
7/8/10 harald
7/8/10 Daryl McCullough
7/8/10 harald
7/8/10 Edward Green
7/8/10 Daryl McCullough
6/30/10 colp
7/5/10 artful
7/6/10 PD
7/12/10 PD
7/7/10 colp
7/7/10 whoever
7/7/10 eric gisse
6/30/10 artful
6/30/10 Daryl McCullough
7/6/10 colp
6/30/10 artful
7/1/10 Koobee Wublee
7/1/10 whoever
7/1/10 Koobee Wublee
7/1/10 harald
7/1/10 Androcles
7/1/10 PD
6/30/10 Koobee Wublee
6/30/10 whoever
7/1/10 eric gisse
7/2/10 Koobee Wublee
7/6/10 PD
7/1/10 colp
7/1/10 colp
7/1/10 Koobee Wublee
7/1/10 whoever
7/1/10 PD
7/1/10 Koobee Wublee
7/1/10 PD
7/1/10 eric gisse
7/1/10 harald
7/1/10 Koobee Wublee
7/1/10 artful
7/2/10 Koobee Wublee
7/2/10 Koobee Wublee
7/2/10 artful
7/2/10 Koobee Wublee
7/2/10 artful
7/2/10 harald
7/2/10 Koobee Wublee
7/2/10 PD
7/2/10 Koobee Wublee
7/2/10 PD
7/2/10 harald
7/3/10 Daryl McCullough
7/1/10 artful
7/1/10 PD
7/8/10 PD
7/3/10 colp
7/1/10 colp
7/7/10 colp
7/1/10 harald
7/1/10 Androcles
7/1/10 harald
7/1/10 Androcles
7/1/10 artful
7/1/10 artful
7/2/10 harald
7/2/10 PD
7/1/10 colp
7/3/10 PD
7/6/10 Koobee Wublee
7/6/10 Peter Webb