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Topic: What are space and time?
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 mikegordge@xtra.co.nz Posts: 549 Registered: 6/12/06
Re: What are space and time?
Posted: Jul 17, 2010 7:05 PM

On Jul 17, 11:35 pm, Huang <huangxienc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > What sort of things are they if they are things?
>
> Space and time are indeed things. They are not abstractions or merely
> instruments neccessitated by physical laws, they are the substance of
> which everything consists.
>
> Space and time are indeed tangible substance, no different than any
> other substance. They are the most fundamental substance, everything
> is composed of space and time and all of chemistry and physics should
> be constructible based on the bending of these things.
>
> The strange thing about space and time is that it is very much like
> fundamental particles in the sense that a particle, say an electron
> may be regarded as being particle or wave. Space has some of these
> same properties and that is why it is poorly understood IMO. Some
> people argue it is continuous. Other argue it is discrete. It has
> properties of both, and yet continuous and discrete seem incompatible
> kind of like wave/particle aspects.
>
> The truth is that you can correctly model particles as being waves or
> particles. And you can correctly model space as being continuous or
> discrete. Both views are correct. The difficulty lies in resolving
> that and making it rigorous with the tools that you have been given,
> and unfortunately those tools are insufficient to model such a thing.
>
> If space is discretized - I ask - discretized BY WHAT ??? The only way
> to chop or demark a chunk of space which exists, is to place cuts into
> it which are nonexistent. That is the only way to chop up the
> existent. You chop it up into segments by inserting segments which are
> nonexistent - that is the only way.
>
> To do that you must be able to grasp triviality, order, disorder, and
> conservation......all in a very new way. No scientist today has been
> trained to think like that and most wold reject the approach. But it
> does not matter whether someone likes it or not. If you can produce
> accurate models which are consistent with observations in the lab then
> you have a useful model.
>
> It is very straightforward to model this way, yes you have tools which
> are not math, but are consistent with math, and equally as valid as
> mathematics though they be not math.

None of that Kantian garabge says anything about the meaning of space
or time, i.e. how do you distinguish time from elephant, space from
bottle.

MG

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