Drexel dragonThe Math ForumDonate to the Math Forum



Search All of the Math Forum:

Views expressed in these public forums are not endorsed by Drexel University or The Math Forum.


Math Forum » Discussions » sci.math.* » sci.math

Topic: What are space and time?
Replies: 184   Last Post: Nov 19, 2012 9:14 PM

Advanced Search

Back to Topic List Back to Topic List Jump to Tree View Jump to Tree View   Messages: [ Previous | Next ]
John Stafford

Posts: 30
Registered: 9/18/09
Re: What are space and time?
Posted: Jul 21, 2010 11:29 AM
  Click to see the message monospaced in plain text Plain Text   Click to reply to this topic Reply

In article
<f7e45f47-5c7d-41b4-83c8-b989e8cb0d07@w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>,
"Tim Golden BandTech.com" <tttpppggg@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Jul 16, 10:07 am, John Stafford <n...@droffats.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <60daa7bc-b684-4ed6-a0b5-6e0439abe...@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,


> > :) I think that intelligence can be gaseous, light-years wide,
> > completely different than skin and bones.

>
> Hmmm... Yes, I've considered this too, especially in those regions of
> space with rich gas. It is easy to ponder within those beautiful
> photographs. Anyhow, the thermal processes there may be important, and
> if something special condenses for a moment or two, well, in an energy
> rich environment the processes will be quite energetic. Still, I think
> the life within the gas low gravity environment could be flying about
> through the gas, taking a semi solid form with great freedom. This
> would again be at a weird sort of triple point, where exchanges take
> place and the same thing as crystal formation can happen. There can
> only be so much chaos in those places, especially at a small scale.
> Geeze, is that a paradigm? The quantity of chaos is limited by its
> volume. In other words if your throw enough small eddies into a fluid
> they will quell each other. Yeah.


We should not rule out non-local sources of organization.

> - Tim
>

> >
> > Diamonds and crystals are fodder for cellular automata simulations. Love
> > the idea.


I've seen little three dimensional automata. I've tried it myself, but
not very hard.

There is a strange outlier in crystal formation. Perhaps it is best to
call it a quasi-crystalline structure that has a tiling pattern that
cannot possibly be built in the traditional atom-to-atom, linear manner
(symmetric translation). See the work of Dany Shechtman, 1984.

The point illustrated by this quasi-crystal is that in order to form its
five-fold symmetry, all the atoms in the solution would have to
simultaneously organize. It's a non-local action. Spooky stuff, as the
man said.


Date Subject Author
7/7/10
Read What are space and time?
Immortalist
7/7/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Sir Frederick
8/10/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Malrassic Park
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Sam Wormley
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Fred J. McCall
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Michael C
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Michael C
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Sam Wormley
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Mark Earnest
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Giga2
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Mike Helland
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Sam Wormley
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Sam Wormley
7/21/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Eric Chomko
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Mike Helland
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Fred J. McCall
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
John Stafford
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
harald
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
bert
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Pat Flannery
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Neil Gerace
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
John Stafford
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Pat Flannery
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
John Stafford
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
John Stafford
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Sam Wormley
7/11/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Wordsmith
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Brian Q. Hutchings
7/8/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
GSS
7/9/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Dan Cass
7/10/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
kado@nventure.com
7/10/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/11/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
kado@nventure.com
7/11/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/14/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
kado@nventure.com
7/14/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/16/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
kado@nventure.com
7/16/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/16/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/10/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/21/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Eric Chomko
7/22/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/11/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
zee90
7/11/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
ZerkonXXXX
7/11/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Fred J. McCall
7/11/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Brian Q. Hutchings
7/16/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Paul A. Suhler
7/16/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
John Stafford
7/16/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Androcles
7/11/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Wordsmith
7/11/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Wordsmith
7/11/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Immortalist
7/11/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/12/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Brian Q. Hutchings
7/14/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/14/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
OwlHoot
7/14/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Tim Golden http://bandtech.com
7/14/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
John Stafford
7/14/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Brian Q. Hutchings
7/16/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Tim Golden http://bandtech.com
7/16/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
John Stafford
7/21/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Tim Golden http://bandtech.com
7/21/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
John Stafford
7/24/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Tim Golden http://bandtech.com
7/24/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jjs
7/25/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Tim Golden http://bandtech.com
8/24/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Darwin123
8/24/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
John Stafford
8/26/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Darwin123
8/26/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Andre Lieven
8/27/10
Read Is Minkowski's spacetime just a 3d flipbook?
Brian Q. Hutchings
7/19/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jmfbahciv
7/19/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/19/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/20/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jmfbahciv
7/20/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jmfbahciv
7/29/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Rock Brentwood
7/29/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jjs
7/19/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jmfbahciv
7/21/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jmfbahciv
7/21/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
John Stafford
7/22/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jmfbahciv
7/21/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/22/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jmfbahciv
7/22/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
bert
7/22/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/29/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Rock Brentwood
7/31/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/22/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/22/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jjs
7/22/10
Read Re: What are space and time? These are them:
Guest
7/22/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/23/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jjs
7/23/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/23/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jjs
7/23/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
John Stafford
7/23/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/23/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jmfbahciv
7/25/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jmfbahciv
7/25/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Vladimir Kirov
7/26/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jmfbahciv
7/25/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Vladimir Kirov
7/25/10
Read Re: What are space, and time for BP's cap&trade nostrum (circa
Waxman's '91 bill on acid rain)
Brian Q. Hutchings
7/26/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jmfbahciv
7/26/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Vladimir Kirov
7/27/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jmfbahciv
7/25/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jmfbahciv
7/25/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jjs
7/26/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jmfbahciv
7/16/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
PD
7/16/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
glird@aol.com
7/17/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Fred J. McCall
7/17/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
matdumi@gmail.com
7/17/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/17/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/17/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/17/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/17/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/17/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/17/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jonas.thornvall@hotmail.com
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Sam Wormley
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jonas.thornvall@hotmail.com
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Sam Wormley
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jonas.thornvall@hotmail.com
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jonas.thornvall@hotmail.com
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Sam Wormley
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jjs
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Sam Wormley
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jjs
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jjs
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/19/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/20/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Tim Golden http://bandtech.com
7/20/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/20/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Fred J. McCall
7/21/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Tim Golden http://bandtech.com
7/21/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/22/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Tim Golden http://bandtech.com
7/22/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/23/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Tim Golden http://bandtech.com
7/23/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
huangxienchen@yahoo.com
7/24/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Vladimir Kirov
7/24/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Brian Q. Hutchings
7/28/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Tim Golden http://bandtech.com
7/28/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Tim Golden http://bandtech.com
7/31/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Vladimir Kirov
8/2/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Tim Golden http://bandtech.com
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Fred J. McCall
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/19/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Fred J. McCall
7/19/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/19/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Fred J. McCall
7/19/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Sam Wormley
7/19/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jonas.thornvall@hotmail.com
7/19/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
jonas.thornvall@hotmail.com
7/20/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
HVAC
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Immortalist
7/18/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
OwlHoot
7/19/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
mikegordge@xtra.co.nz
7/20/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Tim Golden http://bandtech.com
7/20/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Bappa
7/21/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Eric Chomko
7/21/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Eric Chomko
7/21/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Eric Chomko
7/21/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Eric Chomko
8/10/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Edward Green
8/10/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Edward Green
8/10/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Edward Green
8/11/10
Read Re: What are space and time?
Bappa
11/19/12
Read Re: What are space and time?
merryflip

Point your RSS reader here for a feed of the latest messages in this topic.

[Privacy Policy] [Terms of Use]

© Drexel University 1994-2014. All Rights Reserved.
The Math Forum is a research and educational enterprise of the Drexel University School of Education.