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bert

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Registered: 1/14/10
Re: What are space and time?
Posted: Jul 22, 2010 10:35 AM
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On Jul 22, 9:43 am, jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote:
> Huang wrote:
> > On Jul 21, 7:54 am, jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> [spit a newsgroup]
>
> >> Huang wrote:
>
> >> <snip
>
> >> > Starting with some preliminaries:
>
> >> > If one adopts the view of existential indeterminacy then you dont
> >> > really have axioms which form the basis of mathematics. There should
> >> > be a conjectural equivalent of every axiom, but strictly speaking
> >> > there are no true axioms in the sense of mathematics.

>
> >> You don't have any idea what mathematics is.
>
> > And you have no idea what an axiom is.
>
> > I have never seen an axiom which ever said anything about quantities
> > or objects or solutions which "may or mat not exist". Show me one such
> > counterexample and then I will be forced to agree, otherwise I will
> > assume that you'll be eating your words because to assume otherwise is
> > really absurd.

>
> > If you start from the point of view that things "may or may not exist
> > with existential potential say p" then you are going to have one very
> > difficult time creating an axiom based on that because of course it is
> > quite impossible.

>
> Sigh!  Not p.
> \
>
>
>

> > I dont have any ideas what math is - indeed. lol
>
> No, you don't.  You have no idea how it's built, how it's used, nor
> what it can't do.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> >> >Futher, I dont
> >> > want to fall back on axioms or their equivalent because that could be
> >> > seen as a kind of philosophical cop-out.

>
> >> This is just your high-falutin excuse to not do any work.  All
> >> endeavors require a starting point, including pissing in the toilet
> >> and eating your breakfast.

>
> >> You still have not defined mass using only space and time nor
> >> shown how to measure it with a ruler.

>
> >> <snip>
>
> >> /BAH
>
> > I dont give an F an out defining mass with a damn ruler - the man said
> > he wanted an explanation of PlanckLength from my point of view and
> > that's what I provided.

>
> For you to make the declaration you did, then you must provide a method
> of defining mass with a ruler.  Since you cannot, your premise that
> all existence can be described using only space and time is wrong.
> If you want to do science, you have to test your hypotheses; testing
> requires measurement and the ability to create an experiment
> which will  falsify your hypothesis.
>
> You ain't doing science; you're just blowing gas.
>
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Space and time are two sides to the same coin. Einstein merged them.
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