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jjs

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Re: What are space and time?
Posted: Jul 23, 2010 10:59 AM
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<b0365dc2-ab55-422a-8931-53bcbdc15132@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Huang <huangxienchen@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Jul 23, 7:42 am, John Stafford <n...@droffats.ten> wrote:
> > In article
> > <1ae1057e-028b-4792-8fb2-e06f27a8b...@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >  Huang <huangxienc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > I use the word "conjecture" slightly differently than a mathematician
> > > would. I use this word because it is the best word to describe the
> > > tentattive kinds of relationsships I seek to manipulate. Yet at the
> > > same time, a conjecture can never be proven or disproven.

> >
> > Conjectures have been proven. Once proven, the definition of conjecture
> > no longer applies.
> >
> > But you may use the word, but never say never.
> >

> > > My usage of the word conjecture is not the same as the common usage. A
> > > conjectural statement, in my scheme, is a statement which is based on
> > > existential indeterminacy which would form a valid mathematical
> > > statement under the assumption of either existence or nonexistence.

> >
> > Show the math, please.
> >

> > > Such objects are different from the standard conjectures that are
> > > common in math, science and elsewhere. Conjecture, in my usage, cannot
> > > be proved. All you can do is demonstrate consistency with mathematics.

> >
> > Show the math.

>
>
> OK - will try to find an illustrative example and post it shortly.
>
> But just to clarify and contrast a bit further:
>
> A mathematical statement is a "truth". It is a certainty.


A proven mathematical statement is a truth.

> In my scheme a conjecture is a statement which is in a permanent state
> of indeterminacy. It's permanently a "possibility", a permanent state
> of uncertainty. It cannot be proven or disproven, it's impossible.


I'm good with that. I have to leave for the day job now and will try to
coin a word to replace 'conjecture'.

> And
> amidst the whole collection of such conjectures there is no way to
> prove anything, all one can do is demonstrate consistency. I made a
> little progress toward that end.


So far it reads like most quantum assertions.

> I cant think of a better word to describe such a statement other than
> conjecture. It incorporates existential indeterminacy and so at it's
> most fundamental level it is a statement which is permanently and
> inherently indeterminate. But this usage is certainly different than
> the common usage of the word conjecture in math and elsewhere, it's
> the only word that seems to make sense.


Yes. We need a new word. Or an old one that has not been corrupted.

XYZZY? PLUGH!

(A free beer to whomever first gives the source of those two words.)


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