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Tim Golden http://bandtech.com

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Re: What are space and time?
Posted: Jul 24, 2010 8:59 AM
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On Jul 21, 11:29 am, John Stafford <n...@droffats.net> wrote:
> In article
> <f7e45f47-5c7d-41b4-83c8-b989e8cb0...@w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>,
> "Tim Golden BandTech.com" <tttppp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>

> > On Jul 16, 10:07 am, John Stafford <n...@droffats.net> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <60daa7bc-b684-4ed6-a0b5-6e0439abe...@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > > :) I think that intelligence can be gaseous, light-years wide,
> > > completely different than skin and bones.

>
> > Hmmm... Yes, I've considered this too, especially in those regions of
> > space with rich gas. It is easy to ponder within those beautiful
> > photographs. Anyhow, the thermal processes there may be important, and
> > if something special condenses for a moment or two, well, in an energy
> > rich environment the processes will be quite energetic. Still, I think
> > the life within the gas low gravity environment could be flying about
> > through the gas, taking a semi solid form with great freedom. This
> > would again be at a weird sort of triple point, where exchanges take
> > place and the same thing as crystal formation can happen. There can
> > only be so much chaos in those places, especially at a small scale.
> > Geeze, is that a paradigm? The quantity of chaos is limited by its
> > volume. In other words if your throw enough small eddies into a fluid
> > they will quell each other. Yeah.

>
> We should not rule out non-local sources of organization.
>

> > - Tim
>
> > > Diamonds and crystals are fodder for cellular automata simulations. Love
> > > the idea.

>
> I've seen little three dimensional automata. I've tried it myself, but
> not very hard.
>
> There is a strange outlier in crystal formation. Perhaps it is best to
> call it a quasi-crystalline structure that has a tiling pattern that
> cannot possibly be built in the traditional atom-to-atom, linear manner
> (symmetric translation). See the work of Dany Shechtman, 1984.
>
> The point illustrated by this quasi-crystal is that in order to form its
> five-fold symmetry, all the atoms in the solution would have to
> simultaneously organize. It's a non-local action. Spooky stuff, as the
> man said.


I found a SIAM article covering Shechtman's discovery. Pretty neat.
I've got a copy of Kittel's solid state physics which specifically
rules out the 5-fold symmetry. I do have a hard time with the Bravais
breakdown because it seems so cartesian based. I do have an
alternative lattice style in polysign:
http://bandtechnology.com/PolySigned/Lattice/Lattice.html .

How much of a space can we actually have? Some work that I've done
exposes that we can have more or less than tradition will allow:
http://bandtechnology.com/ConicalStudy/conic.html
Perhaps there is a way around the simultaneous organization
requirement here.

I've never fully followed the crystallographic X-ray patterning, which
is supposed to be the boon of analysis, even under the Shechtman
discovery, but am happy to consider that there could be some
electromagnetics in diffraction that is being overlooked too
conveniently. We don't see any photograph of the aluminum and
manganese alloy, which I suppose does not look very impressive. Should
there be some attempt to grow one of these and see if there is some
growth pattern? I couldn't find any photos of the material, or even a
name for it. Didn't work too hard at it though.

- Tim


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