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Topic: What are cause and effect?
Replies: 1,135   Last Post: Dec 13, 2010 8:20 PM

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Re: What are cause and effect?
Posted: Oct 19, 2010 12:36 AM

On 10/18/2010 11:06 PM, Patricia Aldoraz wrote:
> On Oct 19, 12:14 pm, huge<h...@operamail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/18/2010 08:07 PM, Patricia Aldoraz wrote:
>>

>>> On Oct 19, 9:51 am, huge<h...@operamail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On the contrary, I am the only one in the thread that has
>>>> posted *any* actual evidence for what is being discussed.

>>
>>> "Actual evidence" implies a statement for which it is relevant.
>>> You show no understanding of what this might be. Like AP, you
>>> like to just say things, no matter what.

>>
>> Why don't you tell us what *you* perceived as being discussed when
>> you butted into the conversation. (Don't hold your breath,
>> people.)
>>

> Ah, playing to the gallery eh? Well, you will do well there, they
> are all prejudiced against me. I have made sure of that.
>
> Most scientific argument that involves prediction has never been
> *usefully* described as inductive. The fact that an argument can
> have a conclusion that is advanced as a probability does not give any
> clue about why it should be called inductive.

There *are* arguments whose conclusion is a probability that are deductive:

Premise 1:
If
(it is historically true that the temp
in Toronto has dipped below 50 every
year in recorded history)
then
(the temperature in Toronto will dip
below 50 in the coming year, very probably.)

Premise 2:
It is historically true that the temp
in Toronto has dipped below 50 every
year in recorded history.
___________________
Conclusion:
The temperature in Toronto will dip
below 50 in the coming year, very probably.

The claim that "The fact that an argument can
have a conclusion that is advanced as a probability does not give any
clue about why it should be called inductive" is silly in this context
because it is *trivially* true; it misrepresents what induction is and
how it is identified.

Induction, in this example, is what is required for one to
know things like premise 1 in the first place.

--
Not on my time you don't.

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