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Re: Creating a List of Online Math Tutoring Sites
Posted:
Dec 3, 2010 11:26 AM
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Just right Jonathan! And I fear that most grades are meaningless for
both reasons.
wayne
Quoting Jonathan Groves <JGroves@Kaplan.edu>:
> Alain and others,
>
> I had told Wayne that I wholeheartedly agree with his statement
> because I see any grade being based on meaningless learning goals
> to be a meaningless grade. Grades can be meaningless for two
> reasons:
>
> 1. The learning goals the grades attempt to measure are meaningless
> learning goals, regardless of how such grades are derived. When
> good grades can be earned merely for doing work, then grades become
> even more meaningless than before and perpetuate bad attitudes
> in students: What else explains why many students complain that their
> grades are low and suggest directly or indirectly that these low
> grades are unfair because they did the work?
>
> 2. The learning goals for the course actually do have real meaning
> and lasting benefits for students, but the grades are based merely
> on effort or on other trivial standards. Of course, one can argue
> if we can really have these kinds of meaningful learning goals if
> we are not willing to assess students' progress in meeting these
> goals. I too question that, but I did throw this option out here
> because it is possible to list such meaningful goals in course
> syllabi and teach in ways that line up with these goals.
>
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> Jonathan Groves
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> On 11/29/2010 at 10:21 pm, Alain Schremmer wrote:
>
>> On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:07 AM, wmackey wrote:
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>> > As done now grades are essentially meaningless as
>> assessments of
>> > student learning.
>>
>> Not true at all: The grades are meaningless but then
>> so is what they
>> "learn"
>>
>> Best regards
>> --schremmer
>>
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