"I would hazard that far more become unhappy in their work because they were counting on some API to carry them forward to retirement, and then all of a sudden their language dies or is no longer in demand and they can no longer stomach feeling like a rank beginner again."
Yeah there are those types also, that become too complacent. But I was commenting on the type that thinks they can touch briefly on many things and not be very good at any one thing. To combine these ideas we could say that you have to be good and be good at new things as they come. It takes work and devotion to keep up.
"Yes, a lot of those 1950s born are still among us..."
I wasn't talking about them at all, I was talking about the class of 2010 and 2011. I was talking about the boys we hired out of college just last week, and the previous week. In fact, the majority of women in these fields are actually from the 80's it seems. There was a time in the 90's when there was an increase and then very rapidly they just disappeared. As if a plague struck. Afterwards, a trickle of women and those from before (the 70's and 80's) were all that was left. I have commented on this before and it wasn't just women it was men also. There was a time when there was a flood of IT candidates that found themselves in jobs much more demanding than what the colleges had thought IT was and these employees disliked their jobs much and left.
"That TED talk about "the end of men" gives some of the spin (a "heads up" you might say, or "advance notice")."
Women have always been busy working like men, I wasn't suggesting that they weren't. Even those that stay home and raise a family are performing no small task. I said that men and women seem to be good at and good with different things, and sometimes the same things. And they seem to be choosing the things they want to do.
"...One could easily imagine a planet wherein the humans there considered it one discipline. Our sense of "purity" might be violated, but why should Planet Earth always call the shots? Not in my book it doesn't."
One can imagine anything. I am here to discuss reality, not fantasy, and I appreciate you making the distinction.
"You are clearly a product of your cultural matrix and should be forgiven your biases. Invoking a deity and notions of purity has a somewhat neo-Victorian flavor, more what I'd expect from a puritanical state (lots of snow birds influence the politics there right? I used to live in Bradenton)."
Actually, when I said math (and music) was "god made" I simply meant that they are facets of nature and not man made. Nothing about deities and queens. Math and music are nature, are you saying they aren't?
"the same way. We get down to STEM, maybe add Anthropology for STEAM and then we stop trying to further specialize too much."
My son is in the STEAM club at school, same concept except they added Art instead of Anthropology. I am kind of like Haim in this regard, I let them (the school) do their thing and I do my thing. It's not like I could change them or anything and besides, if a big battle comes up I have all my furry in reserve, I haven't wasted it on a bunch of little battles.
"You say it's an analogy, but that's cultural too. We have this idea that a mathematician should be able to think about slicing something into exact thirds, but having the physical coordination to do so, quickly and accurately, with a sharp knife, is considered *not* a mathematical skill -- because of culture (ethnicity)."
That's not at all what I think when I hear the word "mathematician". Anyone else here think that?