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Re: Brainstorming about STEM (was About Functions)
Posted:
Dec 18, 2011 10:43 AM
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Joe N:
>were humans known to be essentially performing non-trivial >tasks that drew on
> powers transcending computational processes, well, that
> would be something
Kirby:
>>I'm saying that would be nothing, as many see it, as in what did you expect?.
We have many examples of humans doing computations -- they did them by hand and with tablets and paper before before calculators and computers. We have no examples of humans performing correctly and repeatedly set tasks that are provably non-computable. And that, folks is the way it is.
> I suspect Ramanujan had his own methods that >unfortunately remained a trade secret. Riemann was
> similar. They may have had certain brain centers that >developed in ways quite out along the long tail. ...
>>To write him off as some kind of snake oil guy
>I said nothing of the sort. Can you read?
>If you do something non-computable, then
>you're just a circus act, so why should we bother with >you?
Excuse me, who did something non-computable?
Since you won't say really what you mean by that I'll have to guess: Non computable to you mean something that hasn't been done yet with computers?
>So now the AI crowd musters all these ducks and puts >them in a row
>that supposedly proves their 'Terminator' scenario: the >on-rush of
>machine intelligence is soon to sweep you sorry humans >aside.
I've never been concerned with that - why do you keep injecting into the discussion. I'm only concerned with your claims that humans do "non-computable" things.
What started this whole nonsense was my pointing out that for every effectively generated theory you do have an algorithm that automatically produces all the theorems. Its a theoretical result of theoretical interest. It was apparently mis-interpreted by you and DC that I was saying something or promoting something that I'm not.
Kirby:
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That's the syndrome in a nutshell: some desire to assert that humans
are a subservient subset of intelligent being and those who have
mastered computers are mastering the secret of that intelligence.
It's all sleight of hand hooey of course. There's no reason to feel
inferior to your PC or grovel at the feet of your Mac (were your Mac
to have feet).
Your attitudes typify an ethnicity I would say. Thanks for reminding
me of these memes, as I don't encounter this type of thinking every
day.
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You are WAY off base Kirby, pay attention to what's said
and stop injecting your own fantasies.
Joe N
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