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Re: easy to Experiments with Electroscope #19 New Physics #58 ATOM TOTALITY 5th ed
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Jan 31, 2012 3:29 AM
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> On Jan 30, 1:27 pm, Archimedes Plutonium
> <plutonium.archime...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It is easy to disqualify both the Cavendish
> experiment and the Casimir
> > Experiment
How about finding a job, and informing yourself before talking, you two-bit loser? Is that easy too?
because neither experiment aims to
> separate out mechanical
> > gravity with that of electrostatics. Both Cavendish
> and Casimir make
> > no allowances for the effects of EM force in their
> experiment and both
> > of these experiments are generalized under the
> Electroscope.
> >
> > Reading Wikipedia on the crudeness of Cavendish
> experiment:
> > "Actually, the rod was never at rest; Cavendish had
> to measure the
> > deflection angle of the rod while it was
> oscillating."
> >
> > That crudeness has not be eliminated from the
> Cavendish Experiment
> > even to this day, as one modern day set up of the
> Cavendish Experiment
> > still does not differentiate a torque caused by
> ambient static
> > electricity or caused by "alleged mass attraction".
> Cavendish could
> > have worn a silk coat and repeated the experiment
> to where the torque
> > rod goes in the opposite direction of a repulsion.
> >
> > Here is a website that pictures the Cavendish
> experiment.
> >
> >
> http://physics-animations.com/Physics/English/top_ref.
> htm
> >
> > Now both the Cavendish Experiment and Casimir were
> not well done
> > experiments for they focused on a preconception--
> gravity is mass
> > attraction, and both failed to eliminate gravity as
> a EM effect.
> >
> > One can set up the Cavendish Experiment and leave
> the lead balls
> > (sorry I called them iron balls), totally out of
> the experiment and
> > have only the measuring torque rod remaining. And
> where the
> > experimenter is asked to wear different clothing
> for static
> > electricity so that he wears silk or rabbit fur.
> > And as he comes close to the torque rod, the static
> electricity turns
> > the entire experiment into not gravity but an
> Electroscope.
> >
> > --- quoting Wikipedia on electroscope ---
> >
> > An electroscope is an early scientific instrument
> that is used to
> > detect the presence and magnitude of electric
> charge on a body. It was
> > the first electrical measuring instrument. The
> first electroscope, a
> > pivoted needle called the versorium, was invented
> by British physician
> > William Gilbert around 1600.[1] The pith-ball
> electroscope and the
> > gold-leaf electroscope are two classical types of
> electroscope that
> > are still used in physics education to demonstrate
> the principles of
> > electrostatics. A type of electroscope is also used
> in the quartz
> > fiber radiation dosimeter.
> >
> > --- end quote ---
> >
> > Now as for the Casimir experiment and its very
> recent repeat
> > experiments
> > such as where one experimenter, in order to achieve
> precision makes
> > only one plate. The trouble with all of these
> Casimir experiments is
> > that they also deny that static electricity has
> more of a role than
> > their thoughts of an end result of the plates
> attracting. For in the
> > electroscope, the leafs repel and as soon as you
> touch the top plate
> > and discharge the electrode, that the leafs come
> together. Likewise,
> > for the Casimir plates, in that no attention for
> detail was given to
> > eliminate the fact that two plates is more likely
> to be a Electricity
> > Magnetism experiment and not that of a gravity like
> attraction of
> > plates.
> >
> > The Casimir Experiment then reduces to the utter
> disgrace of a
> > distortion of the Electroscope experiment, where
> instead of the gold
> > leaves of the electroscope, those leafs are
> hypothesized to be long
> > leafs, no ambient electricity or magnetism, which
> is silly and
> > ludicrous.
> >
> > Both the Cavendish Experiment and the Casimir
> Experiment are side
> > experiments of the electroscope.
> >
> > The torque exists in the Cavendish Experiment, but
> the important
> > question is whether that torque was caused by
> electricity magnetism
> > and not be the illusion that mass attracts mass in
> Newtonian gravity.
> > As I said, we eliminate the lead balls altogether
> and perform the
> > experiment and due to ambient static electricity,
> we make the rod
> > deflect as if the lead balls were still there, yet
> they are absent.
> >
> > The trouble with the Cavendish and Casimir
> experiments is that often,
> > scientists are looking for something and focused
> only on getting that
> > something and ignoring everything else which cannot
> be ignored.
> >
>
> There are a lot of bad images on the Internet of the
> Cavendish
> Experiment that lulls
> people into thinking that the torsion bar twisting is
> easily seen.
> From what I recall of
> accounts of the experiment is that the twist is so
> tiny that the air
> in the room had to
> be controlled for a air fan would damage the reading.
>
> Now I looked to see what materials the experiment was
> composed of and
> there are steel
> wire and steel rods and lead weights.
>
> So what I am saying is that no caution was given to
> the Cavendish
> Experiment that
> avoided electricity and magnetism as what is
> measured.
>
> For example, suppose we built the Experiment in a
> room where we had a
> shag carpet and
> wore shoes that created static electricity and wore a
> coat that
> created static electricity and the walked up to the
> apparatus. Some of
> that charge would, like an electroscope charge the
> ends of the rod
> with the lead weight and even charge the reeds of
> torque measuring.
>
> And I see no attempt in the modern repeat experiments
> to eliminate
> electricity and magnetism
> from making the torque twist.
>
> In fact, I can envision a mock experiment where we
> have eliminated one
> set of the weights and due to static electricity,
> still observe a
> twist in the torsion bar. Perhaps we can have an
> experiment that
> eliminates all the weights of Cavendish Experiment
> and walk up to the
> measuring device and still see a torque twist due to
> the static
> electricity.
>
> Now I myself have some 50 lbs steel weights on wires
> that have been
> placed near one another
> to see if the one was a perceptible attraction to the
> other, due to
> Newtonian gravity, but I failed to ever perceive it.
> On the other
> hand, I used to have silk shirt for bed and when I
> moved around in
> bed, the static electricity was almost like a
> electric thunderstorm of
> bolts of electricity that it was like a flashlight in
> bed.
>
> Now I never wore my silk shirt with those two 50 lb
> steel weights near
> one another and then cause some static electricity on
> my shirt and put
> my hands near the two weights and see if it affect
> the weights. Maybe
> I should.
>
> My contention is that in the Casimir Effect and in
> the Cavendish
> Experiment, that both of those devices function as
> electroscopes with
> ambient electricity or magnetism in the environment,
> then they are
> experiments of mass attracting mass in Newtonian
> gravity. Both of
> those experiments are at a level of precision that
> they cannot
> separate out the ambient electricity/magnetism of the
> materials
> involved or the environment of the device.
>
> So I offer an advice or opinion. Use the Electroscope
> itself as a
> Cavendish Experiment. Let the leafs touch each other
> as close as
> possible, then see how much electricity it takes to
> separate the leafs
> by a tiny measurable amount. So we tabulate the
> smallest amount of
> electricity that moves the leaves apart the smallest
> measureable
> distance. Now we remove the current, and see if
> Newtonian gravity or
> General Relativity can again close that tiny distance
> of separation of
> the two leafs involved. My guess is that the leafs
> can never get any
> closer, because gravity of mass attracting other mass
> is a nonexistent
> force. Gravity is EM-gravity.
>
> If I take my 50 lb weights and suspend them to a
> measurable small
> distance apart, and then
> rub on a silk shirt near the weights, then I move
> them.
>
> In the case of the Cavendish Experiment, we have no
> way of knowing
> with the electricity magnetism inherent in the
> materials used or in
> the prescence of the persons measuring the twist of
> the torsion bar
> imparted some electricity and thus ruined any
> reading.
>
> Now some modern day Cavendish Experiments use laser
> light beams, but
> those gadgets are
> electric powered and thus they impart a very tiny
> current or magnetic
> field onto the torsion bar
> itself and how are we to know that the torque was
> created from that
> laser gadget itself.
>
> Archimedes Plutonium
> http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/
> whole entire Universe is just one big atom
> where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
>
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