On 17/02/2012 10:34 PM, vtcapo wrote: > On Feb 17, 12:30 am, LeSeeker<L...@invalidhost.invalid> wrote: >> On 2/16/12 9:51 PM, vtcapo wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Feb 16, 9:51 pm, LeSeeker<L...@invalidhost.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 2/14/12 11:06 PM, Loirbaj wrote: >> >>>>> I am convinced of the afterlife independently of any >>>>> theology. It is possible today to perceive, by pure >>>>> reasoning that it is entirely consistent with known facts. >>>>> --Kurt Godel >> >>>> I don't know if what happened to me proves there is an afterlife, >>>> but I'd like to give a brief summary of it anyway. >>>> When I was 9 years old I drowned in a swimming pool, but was >>>> resuscitated. I was told I was not breathing for at least 1.5 minutes. >>>> During that time period, which felt much longer than a minute or two, >>>> I was surrounded by ?entities that appeared to be girls and boys of >>>> about my age at the time. All were beautiful and were wearing very >>>> lucent, robe-like clothing. One, with golden curly locks, made a >>>> frisbee-throwing motion, and a shock came over me like nothing >>>> I had ever felt before. Because with her throwing motion came >>>> a dozen or so softball-sized clear spheres. Here's what a few >>>> contained. 3 horses galloping along together, one pure white, >>>> one pretty much black, and a tannish one with various spottings. >>>> About 5 beautiful dolphins diving in and out of ?the ocean, as >>>> though they were just following along behind you in your boat. >>>> A breathtakingly beautiful tiger just slinking along amongst the >>>> lush jungle foilage. These 3 spheres I remember the clearest as >>>> they were the first 3 I saw. The animals all appeared so absolutely >>>> real, as though I could reach down and touch them. But there were >>>> more, all sublimely beautiful. I'm getting long so I move on. >>>> As I was shockingly gazing as these floating spheres, the golden >>>> haired ?angel said: The Father loves all of His creatures. Use >>>> your life protecting them all, big or small. I then came to, >>>> coughing violently. But I (obviously) lived. I spent my >>>> adult working life as council to several animal welfare groups, >>>> and am now retired, and not afraid of physical death:) >>>> LSKR >> >>> Do you remember what just preceded your coming to, before the >>> coughing? >> >>> RT >> >> The images I remember immediately prior to coming back into >> consciousness, was the golden haired entity saying the words >> "big or small", and all of them breaking into huge smiles. >> It was an electrifying close to my NDE/dream-whatever it was! >> LSKR > > Many people who have had NDE mention a tugging, pulling, drawing back > or falling sensation with their return back to consciousness. Just > asking if that was the case. > > Regardless of what the naysayers say with their anecdotal this, > anecdotal that, remember it was you who had the experience. You are > the one who has a clearer picture of what actually happened.
An oxygen starved brain might have some vivid pictures, but they're unlikely to be clear.
Cerebral hypoxia: the high you have when your O2 is low. A lot of well documented research has been done on this, not least because of its ability to sneak up on pilots in control of many millions of dollars worth of aircraft.
> The fact > that it made such an impression, one that directed you to your life?s > path cannot be dismissed as accidentally induced delusions.
Why not? Because you say so? Your expertise on this matter is based entirely on your desire to believe the currently trendy woo, backed up by nothing more than - here's that word you love to hate - anecdotes.
> What > happened was that the accident allowed for the veil to lifted.
What veil would that be? I know you're doing your best to sound all deep and mystical, but surely, if you have anything to shout about, you could expand on this a little for us.
> No > longer encumber by the ego (mind) you were given a life changing > message.
So you're saying he lost his mind and received a life changing message... from whence did this message come?
> The end result was that you listened. > > It doesn?t matter what the naysayers say. They have nothing to offer > except to negate your experience. Remember, they are operating in the > dark. You will not gain anything of worth conferring with the > ignorant.
Aye, the willfully ignorant will mislead you at every turn.
> What does your gut tell you? Know that in these matters, your gut is > far more reliable?. > > RT
The woo is strong in this one.
Man is not a rational animal, he's an animal that stumbles through life trying to rationalise his experiences - and quite often gets it totally wrong.