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Paul A. Tanner III

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Re: Finland
Posted: Feb 18, 2012 10:18 AM
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On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Wayne Bishop <wbishop@calstatela.edu> wrote:
> Well, "as much as they could be developed" is an impossibly high standard.
>  Doing the best we can with what we've got, is not.  Simply advancing
> students who are well beyond the level of their class helps keep them
> challenged academically, an important facet of avoiding sheer boredom.  That
> actually saves money because those students graduate earlier.  A great
> solution used by the ABC Unified School District in my geographical area can
> be - and should be - widely implemented in districts with several high
> schools.  I believe I described this earlier but just in case, their idea is
> to invite the top x% from each of the district's elementary schools at the
> end of 6th grade (thereby hitting all geographical areas no matter what the
> racial or socioeconomic makeup).  Those who accept are tested and placed in
> their appropriate class; e.g., in mathematics, algebra for those who
> already, pre-algebra for those who are at that level, and even below if
> necessary.  Once properly placed to be both successful and challenged, the
> students are not prohibited from advancing more rapidly if they demonstrate
> proper mastery.  Without being ridiculous about it (students do enjoy the
> experience), academic success is the focus.  SAT scores are consistently
> among the top in the state and nearly 100% enter college without
> remediation, many to very prestigious ones.  This from an ordinary,
> working-class region, not Palo Alto or La Jolla.
>
> Predictably, the ed schools consider this to be a violation of their
> perception of equality for all and the school has had to regularly fight for
> continued existence.  When I inquired about arranging to place student
> teachers there, the chair of their mathematics department told me that they
> had already inquired but our university had refused their invitation because
> it was not the kind of experience that they wanted our students to have.
>  Teaching mathematics to students who pay attention and do the homework was
> beyond the pale.
>
> Wayne
>


What makes you think that any of this you want to see happen would
actually happen for all gifted and profoundly gifted without it being
legally mandated?


Date Subject Author
2/12/12
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Paul A. Tanner III
2/13/12
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Robert Hansen
2/13/12
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Haim
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Robert Hansen
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