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Topic: Dingle and the Twins' Paradox (Tom and Paul Andersen are wrong)
Replies: 109   Last Post: Feb 28, 2012 7:38 PM

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 pnalsing@gmail.com Posts: 61 Registered: 4/17/09
Re: Dingle and the Twins' Paradox (Tom and Paul Andersen are wrong)
Posted: Feb 22, 2012 8:23 PM

On Feb 22, 8:36 am, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Any star will cross the same meridian 365 times in 365 days and 366
> times in 366 days making 1461 times in 4 years

As they say, this isn't even wrong... you have been told umpteen times
that there are 366.25+ sidereal days in a year, because sidereal days
are 4 or so minutes shorter than day/night cycle solar days. This
necessarily means that each non-circumpolar star rises 366 times a
year... which seems to indicate that such a star, on one particular
day, must rise twice! I can hear you screaming from here that this is
impossible.

Go here...

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/mrst.php

... and you will find a page that calculates the rise/set/transit
times for major solar system bodies and bright stars. You can pick any
major location in the USA, along with several US territories, pick a
month, pick a date, and pick the object in question. I live near San
Diego, for instance, so type in my city, state of California, choose
October 1st of 2011 and '31' for Number of Days. I used '10' for
altitude, but it doesn't matter much.

When you click 'compute data' you will get a read-out for the entire
month of October. Scroll down to October 25th, and what do we find?
Why lookie here, on this date Sirius rises at 3 minutes after midnight
and again at 23:59 the very same day. Funny thing, there is 23:56:04
between risings... just exactly what the definition of a sidereal day
tells us! It must be a miracle, or perhaps it is a dirty rotten lie, I
dunno.

While you are at it, go back a request the same information for June,
where you will see that Sirius rises at about 9:47 in the morning on
June 1st and slowly moves to rising at 7:39 in the morning by the end
of the month. Just because you can't see it rise with your nekked eye
doesn't mean it is not in the sky, no matter how hard you don't want
it to be true.

You can even set the page for January 1st and select 365 days, and get
the rise times for the entire year, all 365 days, and see for yourself
just how those rise times fall back each day by those same 3 minutes
and 56 seconds each day.

This really isn't so hard, if you would only remove your cranial
calculator from its rectal storage facility and try, try, try to
actually learn something that you clearly don't understand now.

\Paul A

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