On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Robert Hansen <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > So that we can have even more examples of kids getting A's and failing the > exam? I take it you are back to forcing advanced academics on all children > again? > > Bob Hansen
Please reread what I actually wrote. I said "voluntary" - just as the AP program now is voluntary - and I said it would set up a logistics to make much more routine the very thing you want, which is more of the more gifted kids being accelerated through the material.
And I think having such an AP program in place starting in late elementary could lessen the frequency of students getting A's and failing the exam in the highest grades and most advanced classes, since if they're getting A's but failing the exams at the lower grades there would be a discouragement to continue taking AP classes.
But ultimately, I think you are unnecessarily fixated on passing rates. I say that more people learning the material well and proving that by passing the exams is better than fewer people learning the material well and proving that by passing the exams, period, even if the only way to get that is to accept more people failing the exams as well.
But if you think that the most important thing is the passing rate, then so be it. Just don't forget that Russia is doing it your way, having the attitude that only those most qualified to take advanced math should be allowed to take it. According to the coverage indexes of the TIMSS Advanced math tests of 1995 and 2008, Russia allows only roughly one and a half percent of its entire high school aged population (including all not in school) to ever even just be exposed to advanced math, which is defined by TIMSS Advanced as anything beyond Algebra II level.
> > > On Mar 14, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Paul Tanner wrote: > > What would help lessen this phenomenon would be at least in > mathematics an expansion of the AP concept including a voluntary > national exam down through most of k12.