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Re: Clear Creek TX sch. board resolution vs. high-stakes testing
Posted:
Mar 18, 2012 3:18 PM
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You are committing a very serious double standard with your claim of
fraud and therefore your claim of fraud is itself fraudulent. This is
the double standard: I've cited again and again scientific studies
showing that there is actually more grade inflation in the private
schools than there is in the public schools. Yet you condemn as frauds
only the public schools for grade inflation.
And here are more problems for your claims of fraud:
It is a fact that an ever-increasingly higher percentage of the entire
high school senior aged population is passing the AP exams on not only
calculus but all subjects. This positive result is a fraud only in the
mind of one who does not know the meaning of the word.
Finally, you claim that if a student fails his/her AP Calculus test,
then their high school advanced math (everything beyond Algebra II)
education is necessarily nothing. It is impossible for your claim to
be true. In the research study I keep citing published in 2000, those
who failed their AP Calculus test are getting as much or better
training in advanced math than those advanced math students in all
those countries that took the TIMSS Advanced math test in both 1995
and 2008, including the highest scoring countries:
"How Well Do Advanced Placement Students Perform on the TIMSS Advanced
Mathematics and Physics Tests?"
http://apcentral.collegeboard.com/apc/public/repository/ap01.pdf.ti_7958.pdf
See pages 11 and 15. It shows that even those AP Calculus students in
that study who failed their AP Calculus exam with only a score of 1 or
2 still had a higher scaled score on this retake of the TIMSS Advanced
math test than even the highest scoring country in either the 1995 or
2008 TIMSS Advanced math test. These US students in that study who
failed their AP Calculus exam with only a 1 or 2 still had such high
levels of advanced mathematics knowledge and understanding and skill
that they scored 565 on that TIMSS Advanced math test. The students
who took the test for France in 1995 had the highest score in 1995 on
the TIMSS Advanced Math test with a score of 557, and the students who
took the test for Russia in 2008 had the highest score in 2008 on the
TIMSS Advanced Math test with a score of 561. Here is the proof of
this fact that even those who failed their AP Calculus exams were
still so well educated in advanced math:
Exhibit 5: Average Achievement of AP Calculus Students in Advanced
Mathematics by Results AP Calculus Examinations:
Less than 3 on AP Calculus AB 565 (TIMSS Advanced math average score)
3 or better on AP Calculus AB 586 (TIMSS Advanced math average score)
Less than 3 on AP Calculus BC 564 (TIMSS Advanced math average score)
3 or better on AP Calculus BC 633 (TIMSS Advanced math average score)
That is, EVEN the average AP Calculus student in this study who failed
his/her AP Calculus exam had slightly better math knowledge and
understanding and skill than the average advanced math student that
took either the 1995 or 2008 advanced math test from even the highest
scoring country. This is VERY significant in terms of how well
educated these US students are educated in advanced math.
Yes, I know, you will claim that this means nothing because you will
claim that those in this study were not representative of those taking
the AP Calculus exam at that time. But that would at worse be only
partly true because of the fact that that study used exactly the same
sampling techniques used by the countries in the TIMSS Advanced math
test. What this means is that even if the true average level of those
who fail their AP Calculus exam is not quite this high and even if it
is demonstrably true via anecdote that some who fail their AP Calculus
exam are getting a lousy math education, it still has been
scientifically demonstrated to be the case that a large percentage of
those who fail their AP Calculus exam are still getting a math
education that is statistically comparable to the average students of
the best scoring countries in the world in TIMSS Advanced in both the
1995 and 2008 tests, which proves false your claim that they all are
getting no good education at all.
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Robert Hansen <bob@rsccore.com> wrote:
> I disagree. Oh, I agree with you that the educationalists will not have a change of heart and do what is right. But there is an economic storm brewing in educational fraudville that will make the choice for them.
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> Bob Hansen
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> On Mar 17, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Haim <hpipik@netzero.com> wrote:
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>> So, when I said to Bob that teachers have to give students the grades they deserve, I certainly meant that exactly as I said it, but I have no expectation, whatever, that the Education Mafia is ever going to do that. That is going to happen in the parallel universe of education, if we ever create it.
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