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Topic: Discussion: Do US Math Teachers Suck?
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Robert Hansen

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Re: Discussion: Do US Math Teachers Suck?
Posted: Mar 26, 2012 9:42 PM
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Really? The students are putting in 3 hours a day on these things, just putting those 3 hours in on the wrong curriculum? Or do you mean that the students are doing exactly what is required of them by the educationalists? But not exactly what is required of them by the subject. If I told the typical student or parent, this is what it takes, they would blow me off. I give your theory credit for why an educationalist would blow me off (with their deliberately fuzzy notions lacking in tangible measures of success), but I think both forces are at work here. Besides, why would there be a Prime Directive without the initial need for a Prime Directive? I see this as evolving differently. In the beginning, reform was aimed at making unsuccessful students successful (by the traditional and actual meaning of the word). It was in the last 30 years or so that reform grew this second ugly head.

Some of this stuff looks too absurd to be "planned". For example, that high school here in Florida with 600+ students in AP and less than 15 (essentially zero) students passing. And that is just one high school at the top of a list of 94 such high schools. When I see absurdity such as this I am thinking "mindless", not "planned". I am thinking that a bunch of really dumb ideas got let loose by the educationalists and have run amok. I am thinking that their lies have come back to haunt them and unfortunately the students as well.

Yes, I believe the education lobby is as strong as you suggest. But I do not believe that this is about socialism or prime directives or even education any more. This is about money. Explicitly at times and the other times implicitly because they would like to keep their job so they keep their mouth shut. I do not think frauds have to be clever or planned. They just have to work and not be stopped. Other similar lobbies have ceased to exist and probably so will this one, but we are really deep in this one and it will be a messy retreat.

Bob Hansen


On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Haim wrote:

> No! The students are doing exactly what is required of them. Bob, you too easily forget The Prime Directive, or you do not take it seriously. Either way, you are making a mistake.



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