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Robert Hansen

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Re: What it takes to cross the Finnish line
Posted: Apr 23, 2012 12:38 AM
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It (education in this country) has lost its way Paul. I doubt anyone here would deny this and if you had children in school you would probably agree. It was a combination of politics and commercialism that put it in this state. Something is strikingly different between our system and the systems we see in these other countries. You say that the schools of education are the same, well you say that they have the same classes, but maybe it is the philosophy that is different. Maybe in Finland (and other countries) they teach to the student's particular interests rather than to the institution's. I can only imagine what a difference that makes. And I think this philosophy is in play in the compulsory schools even before the students branch off into their vocational and academic paths of their own choosing. I do not think that the compulsory schools in Finland are as academically homogenous as we are led to believe for the simple reason that students apply to high schools and admittance is competitive. What I think is that since the system in Finland accepts this and accepts that every student is different with different interests that the system finds a natural balance that our system will never find with the constant meddling.

Bob Hansen

On Apr 22, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Paul Tanner wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Haim <hpipik@netzero.com> wrote:
>> Robert Hansen Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:35 AM
>>

>>> It is odd how the "teaching" path became so divergent
>>> from the "applied" path here. You can hardly argue
>>> against the need for psychology etc in the early grades
>>> but that this mentality continues on through secondary
>>> and post secondary education clearly indicates that the
>>> goal of education in this country needs a major
>>> realignment.

>>
>> That's what I've been trying to tell ya, buddy. The $500 BBBillion question is: How?
>>
>> The Education Mafia do what they do NOT because of ignorance or inattention or inability. Their goal is ideological. They want to "fundamentally transform" America
>> http://youtu.be/jOuedf6jx98
>> Therefore, the only way you are going to change the "goal of education" is by changing the educators.
>>
>> There is nothing else.
>>
>> Haim
>> Shovel ready? What shovel ready?

>
> The claim by you guys that this divergence between a teaching path and
> an applied path exists only in the US is false.
>
> I keep citing things that prove that this divergence exists in Finland
> and by reasoned extension in every first world country in the world.
> Yes, they have all types of degrees in education just like they do in
> the US, all the way to the PhD level.
>
> Here are even more citations:
>
> http://www.masterstudies.com/Masters-Degree/Education-and-Pedagogy/Master-in-Education/Finland/
>
> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/Why-Are-Finlands-Schools-Successful.html
>
> Quote: ""Whatever it takes" is an attitude that drives not just
> Kirkkojarvi's 30 teachers, but most of Finland's 62,000 educators in
> 3,500 schools from Lapland to Turku-professionals selected from the
> top 10 percent of the nation's graduates to earn a required master's
> degree in education."
>
> http://www.danagoldstein.net/dana_goldstein/2011/05/is-the-us-doing-teacher-reform-all-wrong-lessons-from-finland-and-shanghai.html
>
> Quote: "Finland, for example, requires all teachers to hold a master's
> degree in education and at least an undergraduate major in a subject
> such as math, science, or literature. Finnish teacher-education
> programs also include significant course work in pedagogy-exactly the
> sort of instruction former New York City schools chancellor Joel Klein
> recently called useless. All teacher candidates must write a
> research-based master's dissertation on an issue in education policy
> or teaching practice, and will then spend a full-year as a student
> teacher reporting to an experienced mentor."
>
> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/education/finnish-school-of-thought-on-reform/story-fn59nlz9-1226279957017
>
> Quote: "Finland overhauled the system so that student teachers studied
> a bachelor degree and then completed a two-year masters degree in
> education."
>
> http://www.oulu.fi/ktkold/kasope/edglo/
>
> Quote: "The Faculty of Education at the University of Oulu organizes a
> two-year full-time Master's degree programme in Education and
> Globalisation, which provides special qualifications for developing
> educational systems and the quality of education, and for leading
> educational or social change in the globalised world."
>
> And on and on.
>
> I repeat: By the above and all that I cited before, the courses of
> study for all the various types of degrees in education exist in
> Finland just like they do in the US.
>
> You can find this stuff all over the Internet. All you have to do is
> use the Google search engine with various creative keyword
> combinations, keyword phrases sometimes with and sometimes without
> parentheses. Why don't you do this before you make your claims that
> are provably false by using Google in this way?



Date Subject Author
4/20/12
Read What it takes to cross the Finnish line
Jerry P. Becker
4/20/12
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Robert Hansen
4/20/12
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Paul A. Tanner III
4/21/12
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Robert Hansen
4/21/12
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Paul A. Tanner III
4/21/12
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israeliteknight
4/21/12
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israeliteknight
4/21/12
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4/21/12
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Haim
4/22/12
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4/22/12
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Robert Hansen
4/22/12
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4/22/12
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Robert Hansen
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Robert Hansen
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Paul A. Tanner III
4/23/12
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Robert Hansen
4/23/12
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4/24/12
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4/25/12
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4/26/12
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