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Dan Christensen

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Re: 0^0=1
Posted: Apr 23, 2012 9:37 AM
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On Apr 23, 3:18 am, Jussi Piitulainen <jpiit...@ling.helsinki.fi>
wrote:
> Dan Christensen writes:
> > On Apr 23, 12:45 am, Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
> > > Dan Christensen writes:
> > > > I have always informally justified 0^0 being undefined as
> > > > follows:

>
> > > > x^0 = x^(1-1) = x^1 / x^1 = x/x  is undefined for x=0
>
> > > Then x^n is undefined for any n at x = 0. Think x^3 = x^4 / x^1.
>
> > > Then I suppose also 0 * 0 is undefined since it's 0^2. And 0
> > > itself is undefined since it's 0^1. And 0 * x is undefined for all
> > > x since it's (0 * x)^1 = 0^1 * x^1.

>
> > > I suggest you don't want to follow your own argument after all.
>
> > Ooops! Let me rephrase. Only if x =/= 0 can we say that x^0 = x/x = 1.
>
> > Does this mean that x^0 is "undefined" for x=0? It depends how you
> > define exponentiation for the integers. IIRC, the recursive
> > definition is usually given as: x^1=x and x^(n+1)=x^n * x. How do we
> > attach a meaning to x^0? Only if x=/=0 can we write x^n =
> > x^(n+1)/x. Then, for n=0, we have

>
> > x^0 = x^1 / x = 1
>
> > Thus, using the above definition, it seems we cannot attach any
> > meaning to 0^0, i.e. it is undefined.

>
> Yes, if you leave it undefined, then it will be undefined.
>
> If you want it defined, you define it, and you want all other things
> to work well when you do that. You could start with x^0 = 1. It works.
> Nothing else works.
>


Nothing? Why couldn't you just add to the above recursive definition,
say, the "fact" that 0^0=19 (or any other integer)? It would "work" in
the sense that it would be consistent with any statement formally
derived from the original definition.

Dan
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