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Tim Little

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Re: On the diagonal argument again
Posted: May 29, 2012 10:28 PM
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On 2012-05-29, Aielyn <gjo1984@gmail.com> wrote:
> Which does make me wonder, though... what would happen if you were
> to construct a set by starting with an enumerable set, then find the
> cantor diagonal and insert into position 1, then find the cantor
> diagonal and insert into position 2, then find the cantor diagonal
> and insert into position 3, then... you see where this is going, I
> assume. The limit is, technically, well-defined


Indeed it is.


> but the cantor diagonal is, technically, also in the set, due to
> the limit.


No, it isn't. You have a sequence of entries that converges toward
the antidiagonal, but none of them are equal to it.


> Obviously, the problem is assigning an integer to it (and you could
> just apply a permutation of finite extent and find a new cantor
> diagonal)... but what properties would that set have, relative to
> the initial enumerable set?


Nothing particularly special, as far as I can tell. The "lower
triangle" of the list will be completely determined by the original
list's diagonal digits and your antidiagonal function, and the "upper
triangle" by the digits above/right of that diagonal.


--
Tim


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