Drexel dragonThe Math ForumDonate to the Math Forum



Search All of the Math Forum:

Views expressed in these public forums are not endorsed by Drexel University or The Math Forum.


Math Forum » Discussions » sci.math.* » sci.math.independent

Topic: Matheology § 038
Replies: 94   Last Post: Jun 19, 2012 12:56 PM

Advanced Search

Back to Topic List Back to Topic List Jump to Tree View Jump to Tree View   Messages: [ Previous | Next ]
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de

Posts: 15,215
Registered: 1/29/05
Re: Matheology § 038
Posted: Jun 18, 2012 12:54 PM
  Click to see the message monospaced in plain text Plain Text   Click to reply to this topic Reply

On 18 Jun., 18:10, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> In article
> <3b3743fb-b647-41f1-b845-638fac03d...@f7g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  WM <mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> > On 17 Jun., 19:51, PotatoSauce <kiwisqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sunday, June 17, 2012 1:12:31 PM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> > > > On 17 Jun., 17:56, PotatoSauce <kiwisqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:50:28 AM UTC-4, WM wrote:
>
> > > > > > Here you intermingle the cardinality of a set with varying membership
> > > > > > and the cardinality of a set of subsets, where each subset remains
> > > > > > equipped with two endpoints.

>
> > > > > Your inability to understand the flaw in your own reasoning is truly
> > > > > baffling.

>
> > > > Why don't you outline it?
>
> > > > Regards, WM
>
> > > Let's see.
>
> > > Your whole argument is based on the false assumption that your "continuous"
> > > process somehow preserves cardinality and some other properties.

>
> > The sliding of point should not preserve their number?
>
> > > I gave you an example of a "continuous process" which does not preserve
> > > cardinality amongst many things.

>
> > You gave an example (by the way it was erroneous):
>
> > (0,t) = { x:  1< x <t}
> > When you "slide" from t=-1 to t=1, a "continuous" process, the set
> > goes from being an empty set to an infinite set

>
> > In fact the set is empty for every t from t=-1 to t=1.
>
> > But the important error is that you (intended) to change the cardinal
> > number in a finite step. That is not possible in my example. Every
> > finite sliding of an endpoint maintains the number of intervals.

>
> Except that in sliding endpoints of one interval, it may be made to
> coincide with others, and so lose its own identity.


First, by pure accident, it might be that never two endpoints fall
together. Second, even if they did, do you believe that they would
father children?
>
> Furthermore, WM makes all sorts of claims about his results with no
> formal proofs or even reasonable discussions of why one would expect
> such results.


I see. You need a formal proof. I can assure you quite formally as a
well-mannered gentleman: If you are unable to distinguish elements of
a set (like the paths of the Binary Tree that you provably cannot
distinguish) but claim that you could well-order these path that you
cannot distinguish, then you have a mental aberration that 99.9 % of
mankind do not possess.

Regards, WM


Date Subject Author
6/14/12
Read Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/14/12
Read Re: WM'sMatheology � 038
Uergil
6/14/12
Read Re: WM'sMatheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/14/12
Read Re: WM'sMatheology � 038
Uergil
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Jürgen R.
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Jürgen R.
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Horand.Gassmann@googlemail.com
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Uergil
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ralf Bader
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Jürgen R.
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Jürgen R.
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Jürgen R.
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
YBM
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Horand.Gassmann@googlemail.com
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
LudovicoVan
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Horand.Gassmann@googlemail.com
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Ki Song
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/16/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Virgil
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Uergil
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Uergil
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/14/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Uergil
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Uergil
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/17/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Uergil
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
LudovicoVan
6/18/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Uergil
6/19/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
6/19/12
Read Re: Matheology � 038
Uergil
6/15/12
Read Re: Matheology § 038
Math

Point your RSS reader here for a feed of the latest messages in this topic.

[Privacy Policy] [Terms of Use]

© Drexel University 1994-2014. All Rights Reserved.
The Math Forum is a research and educational enterprise of the Drexel University School of Education.