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Topic: Vindication of Goldbach's conjecture
Replies: 74   Last Post: Aug 9, 2012 6:50 PM

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 quasi Posts: 12,067 Registered: 7/15/05
Re: Vindication of Goldbach's conjecture
Posted: Jun 19, 2012 2:14 PM

Count Dracula wrote:
>quasi wrote:
>>
>> It looks to me like Luttgens is using the phrase
>>
>>    "mutatis mutandi"
>>
>> as a form of reasoning.

>
>He is using it,like everyone else who uses it, as a phrase
>that introduces the next claim in his argument, akin to
>"clearly" or "similarly", nothing more.
>
>If I describe a new algorithm I invent, not in general terms,
>but with, say, n fixed at 3, and then say "there is nothing
>special about n = 3 here, the algorithm applies, mutatis
>mutandis, to any positive integer", the only things that are
>required for my description to be acceptable are that the
>the algorithm to the general case and that the resulting
>algorithm remains correct. The phrase occurs in proofs and
>examples in contexts similar to the hypothetical one I
>sketched out here. British scholars of an earlier generation
>were especially fond of it.
>

>> Hence my response that (whatever it is) it's certainly not
>> a valid principle of mathematical reasoning.

>
>Since it is not even a complete sentence, it is obvious that
>it cannot be a principle or an axiom or a theorem.

In the context used, I interpreted the Luttgens' use of the
phrase "mutatis mutandis" as intending to mean "By similar
reasoning, the result is true for all even n > 4"

To clarify my objection, what I was trying to get across
was that the "mutatis mutandis" part was indefensible, given
what he has done up to that point. It's not that the phrase
"mutatis mutandis" can never be used, but rather, that his
successful resolving of the particular case n = 26 does
automatically allow an extension to all even n > 4.

Thus, as I see it, Luttgens' first error was his claim that the
rest follows by the same reasoning (by mutatis mutandis).

If a proof has the phrase "and similarly for the rest", and
if that phrase is not justified by the prior part of the
proof, then the correct objection is not that "and similarly"
is not a valid principle of mathematical reasoning, but rather
that it's not valid reasoning in the context of the given
proof.

>And the value of your response in helping the writer see
>what is missing in his argument is nil.

Well, obviously Luttgens thinks "mutatis mutandis" is
justified. I was trying to get him to look more closely
at his use of that phrase. Perhaps I could have worded it
better.

In any case, if you feel that the value of my response
was nil, why don't you take a cut at providing a more

quasi

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