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Virgil

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Re: WM's WMatheology � 074
Posted: Jul 18, 2012 3:53 PM
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<022f22a4-e4aa-4add-aafc-cd633db58e7e@q2g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
WM <mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> On 18 Jul., 00:55, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > In article
>
> > > Only if you interpret the real sequence
> > > 01
> > > 0.1
> > > 010.1
> > > 01.01
> > > 0101.01
> > > 010.101
> > > ...
> > > as I proposed

> >
> > That sequence of reals does not have a real limit.

>
> It has the (improper) limit oo, because the reciporcals have the limit
> 0.
>

> > Set theory does not determine any limit for that last sequnce,  since it
> > is not a sequence of sets

>
> It is a sequence of sets of indexed digits. It is only written with a
> point between some arbitrarily selected elements in order to veil the
> problem.


It is a sequence of numerals in place value notation but of unknown base.
>
> > > Although the results depend, as I have just shown, on the direction of
> > > reading? Europeans will get the limit 0, Arabians will get the limit
> > > oo. And Chines and Japanes, who read from top to bottom? What limit
> > > will they obtain?

> >
> > But as none of those limits, even if they were valid, are relevant to the
> > vase problem, why bring them up?

>
> In order to show that set theoretical limits are invalid.


Since you have failed to demonstrate that set theoretic limits are
invalid, why bother bring up non-set-theoretic limits only to fail?

> They depend
> on arbitrary assumptions and interpretations.


The Lim-Sup and Lim-Inf definitions depend only on the existence of a
sequence of sets, which is what the Vase problem provides. And since
those two are equal, their common value is, again by definition,
THE limit.

And for a limit of a sequence of sets, there is no other limit
definition that is acceptable.

At least not in standard mathematics rather than WM's WMatheology.

> Mathematics must yield
> results that are independent of interpretations.


Your own alleged results are never independent of interpretation!

And your own interpretations of them are almost always wrong.
> >
> > To the best of my knowledge, no competent mathematician or logician now
> > claims to have derived a "P and not P" statement within either ZF or ZFC.

>
> That depends on the interpretation of competent.


Lets see WM name anyone other than himself (whose competency is at best
dubious anyway) as a mathematician who claims it ever has been done.


To the best of my
> knowledge no competent mathematician accepts ZFC.

Z and F did.

And there is no evidence that WM is able to determine whether
mathematicians are competent or not, since he is clearly not one of them.
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