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kirby urner

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Re: The Gap
Posted: Aug 14, 2012 1:09 AM
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> Kirby,
>
> I do not begrudge you your desire to discuss whatever educational issues are near and dear to your heart, but please do not hijack mine. I discuss one and only one "Gap", The Gap that is the central organizing principle of Education Mafia policies and practices. And if you are not clear on what that is, then you have some homework to do.
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> Haim
> Shovel ready? What Shovel ready?


There's the achievement gap, i.e. performance on tests.

If the tests are normalized, like the SAT, then the mean is always
about the same. IQ tests, same thing.

To say the kids in Lake Woebegone are all above average is an ironic
joke, although I suppose one could say compared to state benchmarks.

We discussed awhile back how humans seem to be getting stronger in
some skills, globally, and the IQ tests have had to be continually
renormalized as a result.

http://reason.com/blog/2011/08/10/the-smart-appear-to-be-getting

But then weren't you quoting some teacher talking about classroom
power relationships and/or training for life in a democracy or
something like that?

- - -------------------------
"Equity" is a hot topic in mathematics education these days. However,
for many people, addressing equity issues rarely moves beyond the goal
of closing the achievement gap (Gutiérrez, 2008). For me, equity is
ultimately about the distribution of power--power in the classroom,
power in future schooling, power in one's everyday life, and power in
a global society (Gutiérrez, 2002).
- - -----------------------------

When parents want the school to provide a school bus for the team,
like other kids have in more well-to-do zip codes, that's a different
kind of gap they're trying to close.

If a school provides the same level of access to computers, library
books, teachers, to a kid with less personal wealth at home than some
other kid, that's narrowing a different kind of gap.

My understanding of your Education Mafia is it pretty much accepts the
fact of bell curves when it comes to performance.

But when it comes to offering students opportunities, ways to test
themselves and develop their various capacities, I think there are
more eggs in that basket.

Consider an analogy of a gym. If all members of the gym have pretty
much equal access to the machines, free weights, tread mills etc.,
then that's equal opportunity.

If some members choose to spend way more time working out and bulking
up, go for special drinks, diet, become body builders, that's their
prerogative. Not everyone will do that. A bell curve will be the
result.

I'm interested in closing the gap when it comes to having a safe place
to study, bandwidth, nutrition. We won't know Johnny's full
potential if we don't at least level the playing field in that way.

I'm not interested in eliminating the bell curve as a phenomenon, or
pretending that everyone will be able to score above average on every
test.

My assumption is Global U students living in dire poverty will in many
cases become high performance mechanics, teachers, doctors, engineers,
if given an opportunity.

The same is true of many students living in the lap of luxury. The
goal of matching people with programs should to some extent ignore
socio-economic circumstances.

Equality of opportunity (whether one has the ability to take advantage
or not) is very mixed up with the ideology of the United States. "We
hold these truths to be self evident..." and so on.

Right, they might have only meant propertied men in those days, in practice.

But insightful men such as Thomas Jefferson could see the future even
then. Someday, the slave class would be free. Nowadays we're looking
even further ahead.

So, do you think it's corrupt and mistaken to uphold American
ideological values in this way? Should the USA be disbanded then?
Tell people to pack up their marbles and go home?

Kirby


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8/12/12
Read The Gap
kirby urner
8/13/12
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Haim
8/13/12
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8/13/12
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GS Chandy
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Haim
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Robert Hansen
8/14/12
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8/14/12
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Paul A. Tanner III
8/14/12
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kirby urner
8/14/12
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Paul A. Tanner III
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8/15/12
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8/17/12
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Wayne Bishop
8/15/12
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Robert Hansen
8/15/12
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Paul A. Tanner III
8/15/12
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kirby urner
8/15/12
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Robert Hansen
8/16/12
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8/16/12
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8/16/12
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8/16/12
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8/17/12
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8/17/12
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GS Chandy
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GS Chandy
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Haim
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Haim
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Paul A. Tanner III
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Haim
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